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Post by pepe on May 25, 2021 9:43:29 GMT 12
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Post by mcmaster on May 26, 2021 16:27:22 GMT 12
I see that TEK and Aotearoa are to join the UK task force later this year when transiting the South China Sea and for exercises off the Malaysian coast with a P3 also attending. I guess one of the ships at least will have a CIWS system fitted by then given the very real potential for confrontation. Good to hear the RNZN is up for it. Re real potential for conflict, I don't think there is any more from this upcoming RN ex than from any of the previous freedom on navigation exercises by the RAN, French or US etc. |
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Post by futurenz on Jun 22, 2021 22:08:52 GMT 12
Was a bit disappointed that we didn't get a more modern AESA type radar, I think the one fitted is PESA.
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Post by AussieBob on Oct 29, 2021 17:18:42 GMT 12
I see the frigates get a mention in the legal stoush at the Canadian shipyard, between Lockheed Martin and Seaspan Shipyards vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/b-c-shipyard-embroiled-in-legal-battle-over-new-zealand-warship-upgrades-1.5627916 A legal battle is brewing between two of Canada’s largest defence contractors over upgrades to a pair of New Zealand navy warships in British Columbia. The companies, Lockheed Martin Canada and Seaspan Shipyards, were contracted by the New Zealand government to install new combat and surveillance systems aboard Her Majesty’s New Zealand ships Te Mana and Te Kaha.
The ships comprise the entirety of New Zealand’s frigate fleet and the upgrades are intended to extend the life of the warships into the mid-2030s. But last year, Seaspan’s Victoria Shipyards, which was subcontracted by Lockheed to perform the work, filed a civil claim in B.C. Supreme Court alleging that problems with the Lockheed designs were costing the shipyard more than $20 million in delays and workarounds on the first ship alone.
Lockheed Martin Canada responded with a counterclaim, saying the project delays were due to negligence, understaffing and mismanagement at the shipyard. Lockheed said the issues had set the company back more than $10 million per ship as of last July. “The plaintiff [Victoria Shipyards] has acted in bad faith, comes to the court with unclean hands and is not entitled to an equitable remedy,” lawyer Neil Abbott wrote in response to the shipyard’s claim.
[…] Both ships were due to return to New Zealand from Victoria last year.The upgraded Te Kaha was to be returned by the end of March 2020 but delays prolonged its handover until December. The Te Mana remains in Victoria and is now expected to return to New Zealand in April 2022, exactly eight years after the contract was awarded. |
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Post by oj on Oct 29, 2021 19:20:37 GMT 12
What a shambles.
Incompetent management on both sides no doubt.
Too many whiz-kids playing with CAD/CAM and no factory floor experience.
Loss of collective intelligence and situational awareness through inability to communicate other than electronically.
Loss of configuration control of design and manufacturing.
The list goes on ...
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Post by mcmaster on Nov 2, 2021 18:43:10 GMT 12
Good view to see how different the ANZAC classes are now with HMNZS Te Kaha in company with HMAS Anzac and HMNZS Aotearoa as mothership whilst off Malaysia recently. Defence official. 
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Post by skyhawkdon on Nov 3, 2021 7:05:49 GMT 12
The Aussie one looks top heavy. I wonder how it handles in heavy seas/winds compared to Te Kaha?
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Post by nighthawknz on Nov 4, 2021 17:08:04 GMT 12
The Aussie one looks top heavy. I wonder how it handles in heavy seas/winds compared to Te Kaha? I remember reading somewhere... and have heard from from an aussie that has sailed on both... The Kiwi ANZAC's a supposedly slightly faster... and the Aussie ones roll a little bit more... but I haven't got any hard evidence of such... |
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Post by mcmaster on Nov 4, 2021 22:52:30 GMT 12
The Aussie one looks top heavy. I wonder how it handles in heavy seas/winds compared to Te Kaha? I remember reading somewhere... and have heard from from an aussie that has sailed on both... The Kiwi ANZAC's a supposedly slightly faster... and the Aussie ones roll a little bit more... but I haven't got any hard evidence of such... Pretty sure the RAN ones are now close or at maximum weight for the class. So they are porky but much more capable than before. The Hunters that replace them will be much bigger, even bigger than the Hobart destroyers. Hope the RNZN upgrade is working out on the Anzacs though. |
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Post by pepe on Nov 5, 2021 9:02:23 GMT 12
I have also read (somewhere) the upgraded RAN frigates have an increased draught with a resulting loss in speed. The quarterdeck on all the ships were also fully enclosed to assist with buoyancy.
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