|
Post by beagle on Oct 13, 2018 21:10:33 GMT 12
|
|
|
Post by saratoga on Oct 13, 2018 21:53:52 GMT 12
Must be lost in translation, it only said talks, and the rest is about how dire Airbus's financial situation is.Unless they start making C-130's under licence!
|
|
|
Post by avmkiwi on Oct 13, 2018 22:31:40 GMT 12
A400 for rnzaf highly unlikely,C130j only real choice,bring on the naysayers.
|
|
|
Post by exkiwiforces on Oct 14, 2018 0:14:38 GMT 12
A400 for rnzaf highly unlikely,C130j only real choice,bring on the naysayers. Mate, I’ll give you 5-1 for 2 A400’ and a 5-8 J Models to enter RNZAF service? Also I wouldn’t be surprised if they bolt on an additional A400 or a couple more down the track once they see what the A400 can do in a Strategic Airlift role. As you can’t fit a NH-90 in a C130 and you should see when they try and squeeze a Blackhawk into one.
|
|
|
Post by exkiwiforces on Oct 14, 2018 0:18:24 GMT 12
Must be lost in translation, it only said talks, and the rest is about how dire Airbus's financial situation is.Unless they start making C-130's under licence! The way I read it, was that NZ is after two A400’s for starters. But then again my German isn’t that flash either just like my Pashtun sometimes.
|
|
|
Post by avmkiwi on Oct 14, 2018 0:27:08 GMT 12
I hope you're right about c130j but I just can't see us operating an orphan aircraft as the A400 in our region,I as everyone else on this forum are truly mystified as which way this will eventually pan out. sssh the moderator coming ,thou shall not speak of transport replacements on this thread.
|
|
|
Post by avmkiwi on Oct 14, 2018 0:27:21 GMT 12
I hope you're right about c130j but I just can't see us operating an orphan aircraft as the A400 in our region,I as everyone else on this forum are truly mystified as which way this will eventually pan out. sssh the moderator coming ,thou shall not speak of transport replacements on this thread.
|
|
|
Post by saratoga on Oct 14, 2018 8:57:07 GMT 12
I think 5-8 C-130's would be optimistic, the thinking would be that the -J's are more efficient and less maintenance hungry, that we'd be lucky to get 4.
Any additional platform purchased would be smaller,in the Beechcraft size range.
We don't have the money or resources to operate a larger fleet.
|
|
|
Post by nighthawknz on Oct 14, 2018 9:35:52 GMT 12
Two airframes are not enough... should be at least 3 preferably 4 for our strategic ... and 4 smaller transports added later for more tactical. The thing is we have to be able to carry all of our equipment... NH-90, LAVs, now the MAN trucks The a400m can take the NH-90 quickly up to the islands or where needed and happily carry 2 LAVs without stripping them down. We need to future proof ourselves so that we can carry what every the armed forces not only have now but whatever they get in the future...
|
|
|
Post by saratoga on Oct 14, 2018 9:41:31 GMT 12
$ $ $ $ ,...looks like we need another fuel tax to pay for these dreams.
|
|
|
Post by snafu on Oct 14, 2018 10:01:20 GMT 12
It appears that there is some sort of oil problem getting into the cockpit and something to do with the input of fuel calculations tacking up to 3 hrs (here I assume they are talking about AAR?)it sounds like there are still a lot of hurdles to overcome with A400, below is from google translate dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/036/1903609.pdf"18. To what extent is it true that in the cockpit and cabin of A400M aircraft oil leaks during flights, with the cause of the disruption, which has already occurred on several flights, not yet found (www.spiegel.de/politik/ Germany / Bundeswehr-oeldaempfe-in-cockpit-of-a-A400M 1200543.html)? It is true that in the cockpit of the A400M with occasional flights by the crew the smell of oil was perceived. A final root cause analysis and problem solving by the manufacturer is still ongoing." "22. To what extent is it true that due to the lack of networking of the IT systems for scheduling, before each flight large amounts of data such as fuel consumption by hand between applications must be replaced, so for a return flight over 50 -hour hours in preparation Would have to be claimed, which is not acceptable from an operational point of view and must be significantly shortened (www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-oeldaempfe-im- cockpit-vom-a400m-a-1200543.html)? The statements on the required preparation time of A400M flights in the above article are currently not applicable. The preparation time is currently up to three hours depending on the application profile." "23. Is it true to the knowledge of the Federal Government that short-term assignments for the evacuation of wounded or in disaster relief can not be carried out with the enormous lead and that, in addition, deployments can not be changed in the short term due to this excessive time requirement (www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr- oeldaempfe-in-cockpit-from-a400m-a-1200543. html)? Short-term assignments, also with changes, for the evacuation of wounded or as part of disaster relief are possible." "31. To what extent does the Federal Government have knowledge of the interests of states such as Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Peru and New Zealand on the A400M (www.tagschau.de/inland/a400-m-101.html)? For Indonesia reference is made to the answer to question 29. There is potential for Saudi Arabia's interest in up to 14 A400M aircraft. Peru has shown interest in three A400M aircraft. New Zealand has expressed interest in two A400M aircraft"
|
|
|
Post by horicle on Oct 14, 2018 11:43:32 GMT 12
The A400 is a possible B757 replacement. Any thought of replacing the current C-130’s directly with a LAV/NH90 capable airlifter is most unlikely. I recall Ron Mark on Q+A or Newshub Nation when asked about the upcoming transport fleet replacements accomodating the LAV/NH90 requirement saying it was a factor or it was covered, (exact wording not remembered). I do not read this as replacing our current C-130H’s with a larger aircraft.
I need answers to the following.
How long will the 757’s last?
How important is it to have a “couth” VIP asset in the fleet?
If we got the A400 would we dare use it in its battlefield role?
For reasons I might have mentioned before I think the best answer is - C-2
|
|
|
Post by tfly on Oct 14, 2018 13:43:19 GMT 12
Well looking at this they can always use 90 mile beach 😉
|
|
chasper
Flight Lieutenant
Posts: 83
|
Post by chasper on Oct 14, 2018 16:18:45 GMT 12
I was in Munich recently and had lunch with an Airbus Military guy, he was currently working on the Eurofighter Ground Attack project for the Luftwaffe but had been involved with the A400. He argued that the problems with the A400 were due to Airbus pulling too many key people off the project to work on the A380 ten years ago and as a result the A400 has always struggled. As he put it, to build a short wing heavy lift transport with propellers created challenges that they could never have envisaged. His view was that it will be several more years before Airbus can claim to have resolved these issues. Personally I think that this aircraft would be perfect for NZ.
|
|
|
Post by madmac on Oct 14, 2018 18:19:49 GMT 12
A 2 airframe fleet is never going have good availability. Better to get something smaller than a C130 and at least 1 more A400.
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 14, 2018 18:41:05 GMT 12
Oh dear, are we seriously discussing this again? Erghhh
|
|
|
Post by saratoga on Oct 14, 2018 19:03:06 GMT 12
'seriously discussing'? those be strong words.
|
|
|
Post by isc on Oct 14, 2018 20:45:13 GMT 12
How much life will the NH-90s have by the time our new heavy transport aircraft are acquired? Get C-130J s and get a new helicopter fleet that will fit the aircraft. isc
|
|
|
Post by jp on Oct 15, 2018 11:06:35 GMT 12
Two large transports will never be enough, once servicing and maintenance are taken into account. Isn't it cheaper to buy another Helicopter type that fits a C-130 (or similar) to use more or less purely for rapid deployment? Don't we have a big new boat coming that can take NH-90s that could follow up, if need be?
|
|
|
Post by tfly on Oct 15, 2018 15:19:04 GMT 12
Looking at this video from Airbus it appears that the A400M has future offensive capabilities as well?
|
|