New gender-neutral guidelines for Navy

[nighthawknz]

The New Zealand Defence Force will be updating its grooming and appearance guidelines to reflect a more gender-neutral attitude for the Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN), meaning male personnel can wear makeup, nail varnish and false eyelashes.

Newshub received information from a Navy insider last week that the RNZN will implement a more inclusive set of appearance and grooming regulations.

Chief of Navy Rear Admiral David Proctor confirmed the changes in a statement to Newshub on Friday.

New changes will reflect greater diversity and inclusion in the RNZN. Photo credit: Left: Getty; Right: Royal New Zealand Navy


"The NZDF can confirm that as of November 1, 2019, guidelines around grooming and appearance for Royal New Zealand Navy personnel will be updated," said Proctor.

"These updates are to reflect that the RNZN make no distinction between male and female members in terms of their personal grooming and appearance.

"These changes reflect that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as an organisation, as are the unique traditions and characteristics of the RNZN."

Proctor said the RNZN's grooming standards are based on neatness, cleanliness, safety and military image.

Navy personnel are also allowed to use natural-coloured hair dye or have their hair "lightly tipped", as long as it's clean and neatly groomed. Long hair is also permitted in a bun or single plait to ensure safety and tidiness.

The appearance guidelines still prohibit body piercings, "exaggerated hairstyles" (partially shaved heads, mohawks, undercuts and "zigzagging of hair" included) and hair accessories.

"These standards are designed to present an inclusive, professional military image," said Proctor.

"The RNZN is a modern and professional organisation that embraces individuality and personality.

"However, we are a military organisation and with that comes certain expectations on our personnel in terms of dress and appearance."


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da fug... i mean what the actual?

[machina]

Unbelievable. Who makes these suggestions and why are they taken seriously by those who make the decisions?

[30sqnatc]

Lady beards legal as well ? Makeup .... they must have been watching Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean

[Dave Homewood]

Oct 21, 2019 19:54:25 GMT 12 machina said:

Unbelievable. Who makes these suggestions and why are they taken seriously by those who make the decisions?

Simple answer - Labour/Green government.

[nighthawknz]

Oct 21, 2019 20:09:58 GMT 12 30sqnatc said:

Lady beards legal as well ? Makeup .... they must have been watching Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean

And soon Man buns...

[Dave Homewood]

[Dave Homewood]

[senob]

It's downright bloody disgusting. I'm open minded but not that open minded. Adm the Lord Nelson will be turning in his grave.

[shorty]

News report wasn't dated April 1st by any chance?

[30sqnatc]

Oct 22, 2019 15:10:41 GMT 12 shorty said:

News report wasn't dated April 1st by any chance?

Who cares, its always good to have a dig at the senior service

[saratoga]

...who are actually the junior service in NZ.

Man,(or whatever sexgender they like) do they get tetchy when you educate them on that!.

[madmark]

Oct 22, 2019 13:55:41 GMT 12 senob said:

It's downright bloody disgusting. I'm open minded but not that open minded. Adm the Lord Nelson will be turning in his grave.

Kiss me Hardy....

[senob]

Oct 22, 2019 16:31:01 GMT 12 saratoga said:

...who are actually the junior service in NZ.

Man,(or whatever sexgender they like) do they get tetchy when you educate them on that!.

No they aren't because the NZ Division of the Royal Navy was here since the 19th Century. The RNZN was evolved from that, just like the RNZAF evolved from the NZPAF, which itself evolved from the RAF and RFC / RNAS. HMS Achilles flew the NZ Ensign on its main mast at the battle of the River Plate. HMS New Zealand had a korowai presented to it that its Captain had to wear each time it went into action. His crew required it.

[senob]

Oct 22, 2019 20:48:50 GMT 12 madmark said:

Oct 22, 2019 13:55:41 GMT 12 senob said:

It's downright bloody disgusting. I'm open minded but not that open minded. Adm the Lord Nelson will be turning in his grave.

Kiss me Hardy....

No thanks. I gave up cross dressing when I left the navy.

[Dave Homewood]

Oct 22, 2019 20:50:50 GMT 12 senob said:

No they aren't because the NZ Division of the Royal Navy was here since the 19th Century. 

The New Zealand Division of the Royal Navy was formed in 1921.

[campbellbox]

I enjoy the exciting and interesting coverage of aviation history on this forum. The homophobia and misogyny gets a bit tiring though.

[dgd911]

Oct 22, 2019 22:22:11 GMT 12 campbellbox said:

I enjoy the exciting and interesting coverage of aviation history on this forum. The homophobia and misogyny gets a bit tiring though.

Yes, completely agree, it’s too much

[Dave Homewood]

Oct 22, 2019 22:22:11 GMT 12 campbellbox said:

I enjoy the exciting and interesting coverage of aviation history on this forum. The homophobia and misogyny gets a bit tiring though.

So you're making the assumption that men who wear make up are homosexual? Eddie Izard would disagree. Homosexuality is a normal part of the Navy and always has been. But allowing these men to wear make up at work is just a joke, and makes the Navy look pathetic. The military is all about conformity, if people don't like that then they should not join, rather than join and expect the military to change for them. There's a reason for conformity and discipline in the military, but the powers that be do not seem to get that.

On your other point, however, I completely agree with you about some of the ridiculous attitudes that have been shown towards women by a small few idiot dinosaurs on this forum in the past. I always try to remove sexist comments when I see them, as there is no reason why anyone should have the opinion that a female has any less of a place in aviation than a male. Women have been pilots since the 1920's in this country, and on average they're just as good as any male pilots. I have no problem that they fly airlines, Air Force aircraft, warbirds, classics, aerobatic planes, helicopters, home builds, topdressers, etc, etc. Or work on them as technical crew, or build them, or whatever they do in aviation. This forum is all about encouraging people in aviation, all people, and any individual's attempt to do otherwise towards half the population is not welcome here. So if you see any misogynistic posts, report them to me and they'll be removed.

In the meantime, back to laughing at the Navy, another time honoured Air Force tradition.

[senob]

Oct 22, 2019 22:22:11 GMT 12 campbellbox said:

I enjoy the exciting and interesting coverage of aviation history on this forum. The homophobia and misogyny gets a bit tiring though.

Just to clarify. Are you presuming that because I said that "it was downright disgusting" that I am homophobic? My comment is about the insult to the mana of the navy and all the sailors who have served in it before. This will make the RNZN the laughingstock of the worlds navies. Many old salts are quite angry about this. Of the three services the navy is the most traditional and its those traditions which mean much to the average sailor. In the wardroom, at dinner there is a separate toast for each day of the week. One is "To our wives and sweethearts, may they never meet." Even the junior rates No 1 fore and aft uniform is full of tradition. Same as the navy salute, which is palm down because officers didn't like seeing dirty tar covered hands.

Navy is known for rum, bum, & baccy. Nothing like a bit of buggery below decks on a cold day.

[Dave Homewood]

Actually I saw that the Royal Navy has decreed that male and female sailors can now wear nail varnish should they wish, so the RNZN won't be the only laughing stock.