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Post by tfly on Apr 21, 2020 20:47:12 GMT 12
I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help with information as to whether (or not) it is true that the Bristol Freighter in RNZAF service carried bombs? I searched the internet and apart from one photo (see attached link) I can find no reference to this anywhere. Can anyone out there throw any light on this subject. www.flickr.com/photos/gcdnz/33570695766
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Post by saratoga on Apr 21, 2020 20:56:56 GMT 12
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Post by davidd on Apr 21, 2020 21:51:56 GMT 12
Look up Gary Danvers website, unfortunately do not know its name, but a Google search might find him. I am fairly certain that they used standard bomb carriers of the day, but did not carry bombs! David D
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Post by saratoga on Apr 21, 2020 23:19:56 GMT 12
The links I put up, the racks appear to be 2 sets of Universal Carriers, one behind the other.
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Post by tfly on Apr 22, 2020 6:23:57 GMT 12
Some useful information there thank you to those who contributed.
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Post by ZacYates on Apr 22, 2020 9:09:14 GMT 12
Look up Gary Danvers website, unfortunately do not know its name, but a Google search might find him. The Gary Danvers Collection on Flickr has been uploading a TON of images lately, several times a day. It may be worth trawling through? There are almost 11,000 images... www.flickr.com/photos/gcdnz/
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Post by isc on Apr 22, 2020 22:32:45 GMT 12
At one stage. 1960/1970. a number of C-180/185 were fitted with bomb racks for dropping fencing material.... wire and posts, Also used with a large cage for hay bales, I think each cage held 4 standard bales.It was before my time at Rex Aviation, but there were a few racks in stores. isc
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 22, 2020 23:09:25 GMT 12
So were ag Beavers from the 1950's onwards.
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Post by planecrazy on Apr 23, 2020 9:22:41 GMT 12
Look up Gary Danvers website, unfortunately do not know its name, but a Google search might find him. The Gary Danvers Collection on Flickr has been uploading a TON of images lately, several times a day. It may be worth trawling through? There are almost 11,000 images... www.flickr.com/photos/gcdnz/Wow some great picture there, among many others page 14/15 the F111 that crashed on take off in 1979. Haven't checked them all out yet.
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Post by davidd on Apr 23, 2020 10:39:10 GMT 12
I think you'll find that the Cessna 180s fitted with under-wing "cages" (obviously outboard of the lift struts) for carrying bales of hay were tried out in the mid 1950s rather than 60s/70s, must have created a hell of a lot of drag, and cannot imagine this experiment was carried any further, probably for reasons of flying safety. Photographs of these experiments were carried in the aviation magazines of the era, as well as in farming magazines. Probably a lot more drag than a Beaver carrying a canoe strapped on the outside, which was quite popular (in Canada, don't think they did that in NZ, but can anybody contradict this?) David D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 23, 2020 12:31:08 GMT 12
The bomb racks for carting fence posts, building material, hay bales, etc, were used a lot on the Beavers in the 1950's and early 1960's till they were superseded by helicopters that could land at the spot rather than air dropping the load and risking damage.
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Post by curtiss on Apr 23, 2020 21:14:00 GMT 12
At one stage. 1960/1970. a number of C-180/185 were fitted with bomb racks for dropping fencing material.... wire and posts, Also used with a large cage for hay bales, I think each cage held 4 standard bales.It was before my time at Rex Aviation, but there were a few racks in stores. isc Adventure flights golden bay use a similar system for transporting mountain bikes on ZK MIT. www.adventureflightsgoldenbay.co.nz/
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Post by isc on Apr 24, 2020 0:59:50 GMT 12
Do they fit the passenger with a parachute and drop him too? isc I think there must have been 8 bales per cage, and you would cut the twine as they were loaded. My last few years here in Darfield was building a machine (Penrose De Bailer) that could be towed around the paddock and break up large size bales when feeding out. A bale tied up is no use to a sheep or cattle beast. Posts and wire are done up on a frame so that they land flat on the gound not bouncing too much. There is proberbly a reel of fencing wire in a gully or two, a bit difficult to get out. isc
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Post by Peter Lewis on Apr 24, 2020 9:20:35 GMT 12
I think you'll find that the Cessna 180s fitted with under-wing "cages" (obviously outboard of the lift struts) for carrying bales of hay were tried out in the mid 1950s rather than 60s/70s, must have created a hell of a lot of drag, and cannot imagine this experiment was carried any further, probably for reasons of flying safety. Photographs of these experiments were carried in the aviation magazines of the era, as well as in farming magazines. Probably a lot more drag than a Beaver carrying a canoe strapped on the outside, which was quite popular (in Canada, don't think they did that in NZ, but can anybody contradict this?) David D Would have been an interesting experience being at either end of the drop
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Post by davidd on Apr 24, 2020 10:41:16 GMT 12
Cannot imagine many of the "bales" remaining as bales after they hit the ground! David D
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 24, 2020 10:52:03 GMT 12
Cannot imagine many of the "bales" remaining as bales after they hit the ground! David D That's a feature? You break up bales as you feed out. I'm basically a city boy, but had cousins on a farm (as well as growing up next to one).
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Post by saratoga on Apr 24, 2020 10:53:30 GMT 12
Do they fit the passenger with a parachute and drop him too? isc The mountain bikers prefer no parachute, adds to the adventure.
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Post by davidd on Apr 24, 2020 11:37:43 GMT 12
Actually hay bales are often these days fed out in purpose-built feeding racks, as stray straw scattered over the grass is often ignored and trampled on by stock, particularly if the racks are available and are fully loaded. Of course I could be completely out of date with this statement, and farmers have to make up their own minds as to the most efficient way of feeding out - I haven't worked on farms since I was an early teenager! I grew up on a small hill-country farm, but we did not have access to any specialised hay baling equipment, so had to (occasionally) feed out loose hay. Dad used to grow it in our small orchard, and then scythe it, and store it in the old car shed after it had been properly dried out in sun, so could be considered pretty primitive even then. Nevertheless most of the farm was very steep hill country, and this was pre-farm bikes, or even the early NZ-designed three wheel flat design vehicles whose name I cannot remember (Gnat?) powered by a Briggs & Stratton I think. Tractors were also rather out of the question financially speaking - after all we had only about 8 milking cows, and perhaps 2 - 300 sheep grazed on two widely separated properties, all steep. It was referred to as a marginal property. A far more common form of getting additional fodder was to graze the "long mile", with us kids minding the stock (cattle) while dad did other duties.
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Post by wellingtonguy on Apr 24, 2020 12:56:45 GMT 12
Most farmers these days use large round bales. They would never fit under the wing of a Cessna.
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 24, 2020 13:01:05 GMT 12
Do they fit the passenger with a parachute and drop him too? isc The mountain bikers prefer no parachute, adds to the adventure. I think the only response is "Da, Comrade!"
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