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Post by gibbo on Nov 24, 2020 8:10:46 GMT 12
Pretty much have to take it at face-value... it states, as per last DCP, that EMAC is a capability (take it as read that it will be unarmed) being looked at to compliment the P-8A by taking up some of the civvy tasks expected of the latter... SAR, general EEZ patrol taskings etc. The project is a way off deciding what the capability will consist of but the potential options are listed... satellite; RPA; fixed-wing piloted aircraft are all contenders and the final mix could be any combination of 1, 2 or all 3 of these.... early days. Thanks Gibbo, would be interesting to see what it will bring. Sure I like the P-72/ATR-72 idea. Let's cross fingers and hope it will bring something good. Yeah a lot of work to be done yet... anyone's guess. There are clear synergies between this & the Australian Border Force's Future Maritime Surveillance Capability (FMSC) Project (see link below) but to date there's been no openly discussed suggestion that the 2 Govts may combine effort & investment to a single solution that works for both... there's definitely an argument for it. www.homeaffairs.gov.au/how-to-engage-us-subsite/Pages/maritime-surveillance-capability-project.aspxThe ABF is a big operation for obvious reasons but call me old-fashioned, I'd still like to see NZ fold EMAC into the Defence umbrella operationally, which is what has been slated so far...esp. as read in the DCP, but clearly that may change. Regardless of civvy tasks not being considered 'core military' tasks by many, the fact is most Govts use their military in this way and I'm not sure NZ should invest in a separate organisation to run it when the NZDF has the depth of experience it has... plus NZ has a modest requirement and such an organisation will likely draw funding, personnel etc away from the NZDF and be an unnecessary duplication (esp. cost) of overhead. That is of course where a civvy contractor may prove better value for $$$. The fact is the NZDF is small and has largely built it's positive public image up over the last couple of decades off the back of SAR & HADR work, so if a chunk of those taskings are diverted to another organisation the NZDF will likely start to struggle (again) for that all important public perception of their reason for existence... any NZ equivalent of the ABF will start getting all the kudos, the attention, and the investment dollars! Not that the NZDF will lose the SAR & HADR completely but my point is that the public would start seeing a lot less of them and that isn't a good thing. Having the RNZAF operate the capability also enables them to choose how pressure is best taken off the P-8A fleet, and potentially would provide Govt with additional 'options' for taskings in low-heat situations that it may not be best to send a purely civvy crew into... although arguably yes such a crew may be deemed less confrontational than a C-130J popping in with crew wearing side-arms to pull out NZ citizens etc. ...Anyway all speculation for now, and just IMHO of course. |
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Post by tfly on Nov 25, 2020 3:04:56 GMT 12
It sort of seems more and more logical to opt for a small airlifted (like C295 or similar) which could undertake EMAC and be utilised to supplement the new C130J-30’s. Palletised functionality along with its airlifting capabilities the C295 could prove to be a most useful ‘multi purpose’ asset to the RNZAF and other Government Departments. www.airbus.com/defence/c295.html |
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Post by machina on Mar 2, 2023 22:09:28 GMT 12
I like the C-295/C-27 idea given the option of dual role, but I’ve also just ‘discovered’ the Japanese US-2 seaplane - wouldn’t that be sweet to see here! It could still do dual role, but instead of cargo I think it would be humanitarian work.
Will never happen etc, I know…
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Post by snafu on Mar 19, 2023 9:41:45 GMT 12
I like the C-295/C-27 idea given the option of dual role, but I’ve also just ‘discovered’ the Japanese US-2 seaplane - wouldn’t that be sweet to see here! It could still do dual role, but instead of cargo I think it would be humanitarian work. Will never happen etc, I know… While I can see uses for the US-2 cargo practicalities are not really one of them. Small inflatable rafts/boats are deployed by hand out the door. it would be intresting to see how fast they could deploy a inflatable boat with a motor atached and pax carring capacity its sea keeping for landing is interesting at 3 meters Sea State 4/5 moderate to rough. For a fulltime SAR it seems to have a lot in its favour, but dual use tactical cargo/SAR no...... coast watch/SAR yes www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/09/shinmaywa-and-ussocom-comment-on-the-us-2-seaplane/ |
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Post by pops2 on Mar 24, 2023 12:52:44 GMT 12
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