Post by silentflyer on Sept 29, 2020 23:08:37 GMT 12
Dave, I will say it again, at least I am trying to stimulate some interest in my desire to see something remain in NZ. I have little skin in the NZ aviation scene and have been asked to advertise the gliders in a far wider domain, so I have done what I can to alert those most interested in aviation preservation as I considered your site as the best forum to do it for an ex-warbird. You accuse me of making sweeping statements and being insulting, which I have not set out to do other than acknowledge that as far as gliding is concerned, it is an area that I accept the powered world have little or no knowledge, and often little interest of, so that’s a fact I readily accept. Conversely if you think I am insulting because I highlight the fact that there is a general lack of knowledge and will from the wider NZ gliding and aviation down there to take on the gliders, or even to make you aware of what’s been under your noses for the best part of 20 years, then that in itself speaks volumes, so you can hardly blame me can you? I haven’t physically been there but have been tireless in making sure VK got as much exposure outside NZ I could give it, and will continue to do so, so I have been more than faithful to OUR (NZ) aviation history than you give me credit for. If that’s the case, then some of your replies are pretty sweeping and not exactly tactful either and by not contacting Youthglide, is not an admission of how to kill off interest in a new generation of pilots. It is more of an indication that you might not know just what Youth glide is set up to do. If preservation was part of it, then Youth glide has been pretty spectacular in bypassing VK for years in that case. For your info, both gliders are already being considered by an overseas museum, which they may or may not take an interest in? That option is currently with the deceased’s executors to consider if they decide to consider any further developments they see fit. This was my plea to you all to take note of what you have and that action needs to be taken now if you want them to remain in your skies. If you find my delivery insulting, then I apologise but you also need to consider that some of us do not swim around in your fishbowl. As you can see I am NOT a regular visitor to WONZ (which judging by the way this thread has descended, will no doubt come as a huge relief to you). Ok, in closing: Fact: I am not a fan of personal insult. Fact: nobody else here who is aware of the gliders status (and there’s more than one), has done anything to bring it to YOUR attention, so why are you getting so anti at me if I am a little pointed in highlighting the fact that there has been to now a general reluctance to commit to the gliders in keeping them there and airworthy? Is it because I pointed out the current sad state of historic and vintage gliders down there (to me, this is the equivalent of the powered world down there not particularly interested in an ME109 finding a ready home), not to mention what YOU guys tell me about the system down there? Or is it the very human fact that most of us find it difficult to accept someone from outside highlighting (wrongly or rightly) a perceived, or real failure, or possibly even the slightest criticism of us? (Or do you simply dress that up as insulting?) Fact: although I have an interest as an ex-Pat in NZ powered aviation history (aviation very much pays my mortgage for goodness sake), as you can see, WONZ is hardly a regular watering hole of mine and I am very much NOT a regular visitor to the NZ aviation scene other than what I see on the net and what is sent to me in terms of gliding related activities, which is why I am readily willing to stand corrected. This said however, as an interested enthusiast of both power and gliders, I could hardly ‘not’ be aware of the current restoration movement down there and just how healthy both the WW1 scene and the Warbird scene is (not to mention the lighter aviation vintage scene). Fact: you are jumping on me for failings of your own who are in NZ to educate you on what is there. That’s hardly my fault as someone who resides 13,000 miles away, so don’t lay that personally at my feet and then start criticising me for not advertising it with organisations like Youthglide. That’s clutching at straws and notice, I ONLY highlighted one of the gliders here, the one that is an ex-German warbird as I considered this one to be the most appropriate to WONZ and for your core aim of this type of forum. As this is feeling like it has become somewhat hostile and heated, like you I have my little fishbowl too. So it’s probably best I just metaphorically shrug my shoulders, walk away and stick to hoovering around Europe/world and in my spare time editing an aviation history based magazine which is bringing an eclectic aviation history from Europe to Russia to Brazil to our readers, which like your excellent initiative, promotes the preservation of all our aviation history. Good luck in all your future endeavours and keep up the good work in keeping NZ aviation history alive.... Cheers, B
P.S. for those posting that I don’t respond, remember, I am asleep when you guys are awake or I am flying during the night (my normal working day’), so a day or two will pass before I can get back to you. Besides, you have others here that can forward your interest to the deceased family. Good luck with getting her back into the air, I look forward to covering the story further.
Post by nuuumannn on Sept 30, 2020 18:14:08 GMT 12
Interesting to read this thread and silentflyer's frustrations are genuine, but Dave also has a point. Knowledge of the gliding scene is down to the the scene itself. Social media is how organisations garner attention. Gliding has long been a part of airshow displays here and around the world - WoW has had terrific gliding displays in recent years, but the push for greater publicity and awareness has to come from within the organisations themselves rather than blaming the outside world for not taking notice. Approach airshow organisers and organise a static display, get kids to sit in cockpits etc, get someone to do some research and put together some sort of static display for exhibition purposes and present it to an aviation museum as a temporary exhibit. There are ways around the lack of attention.
As for the historical side of gliding, it's out there alright. Airspeed Horsa reproduction at Pegasus Bridge, Normandy, France.
Funnily enough, Roger Brown (the V K president) and I, just this week, were discussing starting a V K thread on the forum. Perhaps you could send me a PM to discuss it further. Please include your name so that I know with whom I am corresponding. Thanks in advance. Peter Layne