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Post by seiran01 on May 13, 2021 3:10:59 GMT 12
Hi all, I want to build a Hellcat in Royal Navy colours, and also a Swordfish down the line. More than anything, I'd like to do one to depict aircraft flown by kiwi pilots. I have no idea where I might find info on the aircraft serials, fuselage codes, and anything unique about the paint schemes (google hasn't been much help at all) and I'm hoping someone here may have some information or a tip for where to look. R.A. Richardson's 1840sqn Hellcat from the Tirpitz raid is definitely one of interest. Thanks in advance for any help! Mike
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 7:40:16 GMT 12
My late friend Nelson Tolerton was a Kiwi in the FAA, and he flew Hellcats in the Eastern Fleet, based in Ceylon but attacking targets in Burma as they acted as close support for the British 14th Army. I have a copy of his logbook and some photos if interested.
I have met a number of Kiwis who flew Swordfish. I could look out some interesting schemes if you'd like.
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Post by seiran01 on May 13, 2021 7:57:14 GMT 12
Thanks Dave, the info and photos (if possible) would be very much appreciated. Dunno if you'd rather post here or email... if you want to email anything, please use mikeswinburne@gmail.com Cheers
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 8:14:01 GMT 12
I am flat out busy this morning but I'll try to look out details this afternoon.
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Post by seiran01 on May 13, 2021 8:39:07 GMT 12
No rush, I don't have to have info this minute :-)
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 16:44:03 GMT 12
Nelson Tolerton flew the following Hellcats with No. 896 Naval Air Squadron:
Based at RNAS Wingfield from 10 Jan 1945 till 15 Feb 1945
JN709 JN732 JN734 JN739 JN757 JN767 JW732 JW737 JW739 JW747 JW757 JW761 JX678 JX680 JX693 JX695 (he seemed to fly this one the most often) JX697 JX702 JX705 JX706
Then flying in "Exercise Slipkit" from HMS Malagas, from 17 Feb 1945 till 22 April 1945 (still based at RNAS Wingfield), flying:
JW737 JW747 JW754 JW758 JW762 JW767 JX671 JX672 JX678 JX693 JX694 JX706 JX714 JX715 JX716 JX724 JX725 JX728
Boarded HMS Ameer, passage to HMS Valluru, Tambaram, India. Flew these Hellcats from 12 May 1945 till 31 May 1945:
JX677 JX697 JX703 JX706 JX707 JX724 (he flew this one most often)
Then flying from HMS Attacker, from 1st of June 1945 till 28th of June 1945:
JX671 JX677 JX678 JX690 JX697 JX706 JX724 (he flew this one most often) JX725 JX727
The squadron them moved to HMS Ameer as part of "Operation Collie" and from 2 July 1945 till 17 July 1945, and he flew:
JX688 JX694 JX715 JX724 (he flew this one most often) JX727
The next move was to HMS Empress as part of "Operation Livery" from 24 July 1945 till 16 July 45, and he flew:
JX686 JX688 JX715 JX848
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 16:57:47 GMT 12
Here are the photos from Nelson's album. Sorry I did not have a scanner with me at the time and only had a crappy point and click camera back then, so they're not the best. P1000922 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000923 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000924 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000925 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000926 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000927 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000928 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000929 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000930 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000931 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr I love the nose art on the rockets! P1000934 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000937 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000938 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000940 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr P1000943 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr
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Post by 30sqnatc on May 13, 2021 20:30:31 GMT 12
Outstanding set of pictures
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 21:00:42 GMT 12
Yes they are really interesting. Those very late war roundels are very rarely seen.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 13, 2021 21:58:49 GMT 12
Mike, is there any specific theatre of war you'd like to depict the Swordfish in?
I was fortunate to meet a few veterans who flew or flew in the Swordfish. They include:
Nelson Tolerton - Pilot - Flew Swordfish in the UK, from memory including when he was on a special development unit (I have his logbook copied)
Alexander Brunt - Pilot - Swordfish on 786 Sqn, 753 Sqn, 755 Sqn, 775 Sqn (Egypt), 834 Sqn back in UK (I have his logbook copied)
Murray Richardson - Observer - UK, Arctic convoy (I have his logbook copied)
Bill Ringer - Pilot - Swordfish at Wingfield, then with 789 Squadron at Malagas (I have his logbook copied)
Ralph Cocklin - Pilot - Swordfish in the Atlantic, off carriers and off a MAC Ship (I don't have his logbook but I might be able to get it, and I have photos and other details)
So there are options there for UK-based, Arctic convoy, Atlantic, Med, or South Africa.
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Post by seiran01 on May 14, 2021 4:43:04 GMT 12
Great photos Dave! Thank you for taking the time to dig out and share those and the aircraft serials from his log. It doesn’t seem like there’s much consistency to the fuselage codes corresponding logically to the serials, but I do see that JX688 is B-8H and there’s a great side photo of that online. Looks like that’s the one I will do, and of course those faces on the rockets will be added.
I know very little about the Swordfish ops, although something out at sea seems more interesting than ground-based. Perhaps Ralph Cocklin?
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Post by baz62 on May 15, 2021 14:07:46 GMT 12
The Hellcat in these photos(and in the next(one) seem to be a very light colour. I can see the canopy frame is painted a dark colour and it almost makes me think this Hellcat is in primer?? A quick Google of Hellcat FAA colour schemes just shows all the camouflage schemes the FAA Hellcats used. Unless it's the film stock of course although comparing the canopy frame to the fuselage it does seem a lot lighter.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 15, 2021 14:11:07 GMT 12
I have wondered about it too, and wonder if it is white. These ones are at a Royal Navy base in South Africa, so perhaps they had some little known local colour schemes. As they seemed to convert to Hellcats there on a conversion training course maybe it was even yellow?
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Post by hbpencil on May 15, 2021 17:20:04 GMT 12
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Post by nuuumannn on May 16, 2021 10:22:41 GMT 12
An amazing album full of fascinating images, thanks for sharing it, Dave. I suspect the Hellcat with the dark-framed canopy was white also, but no doubt someone has more information.
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Post by ams888 on May 16, 2021 12:04:29 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on May 16, 2021 13:45:00 GMT 12
No definitely Hellcats but I'm picking white or light grey.
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