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Post by typerated on Nov 21, 2022 22:15:18 GMT 12
Spot on Grant!
I find it the strangest thing that there are still some people don’t believe this science.
It seems with covid and climate science some people with no detailed knowledge of the subject feel knowledgeable enough dismiss the science. But I can think of no other area of human knowledge where this is true. – maybe there are more but I can’t think of them. Nobody these days denies plate tectonics or the ozone hole is man made for example. NASA publish data on Sea Level rise (and other climate change parameters) and in this thread it is dismissed – but NACA Aerofoil data I've never heard anyone query!
Why?
I did an engineering degree and strangely enough don’t remember anyone on the course saying they didn’t believe in Newton’s laws or Bernoulli for example. Everything I learned on my course and still applies and seems to work very well for me – I’ve never found anything to be in anyway false, although a few subjects have been somewhat superseded.
The lack of climate change deniers there are amongst technical/science graduates tells it’s own story – Denial does not do very well when met by science!
So why to people dismiss the science with covid and climate change? - interestingly but probably not coincidently these views often have a very strong correlation with a person’s politics. Perhaps it is more accurate to suggest it the other way round – the politics makes them question (refute) the science!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 22, 2022 10:11:02 GMT 12
I think there are plenty of people who believe the science that the climate system is changing but they're smart enough to not believe the politics that goes along with it. Taxing farmers will fix nothing and break everything.
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Scott Base
Nov 22, 2022 13:17:52 GMT 12
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Post by madmax on Nov 22, 2022 13:17:52 GMT 12
Yes Dave, the climate has been changing since day one and will continue to do so without our intetference. It is however not possible that humanity will destroy it to an extent which will rnder the earth uninhabitable for humans as all these foolish demonstrators who attach themselves to roads, art works etc would try to have us believe
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Post by baz62 on Nov 24, 2022 17:20:39 GMT 12
One amazing thing thats just come to my attention is the that the UN (based on recent science) has revised down the temperature increase due by 2100 by half! It was 5 degrees and now its 2.5 degrees! Is that in the mainstream media here? It does not mean we are out of the woods by any means but it certainly reduces the "end of humanity" arguement fostered by those with their own agenda. NY Times has a fascinating article about it called Beyond Catastrophe: A new climate Reality is coming into view. Note there is a paywall for it but I googled it and found a way to read it for free. Again it's not saying we can now sit back and carry on as normal, nor are we not going to have some dramatic climate effects in the future but it does show that what we have been doing is having a positive effect. And it brings into focus policy changes which now should be looked at with this revising of the future climate impact. And now back to aeroplanes.............
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 24, 2022 17:24:18 GMT 12
Nope, I had heard about that too Baz but that has not been in the media as far as I am aware, as it is against the political narrative in this country.
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Post by obiwan27 on Nov 25, 2022 13:21:02 GMT 12
Nope, I had heard about that too Baz but that has not been in the media as far as I am aware, as it is against the political narrative in this country. This was covered well by the NZ Centre for Political Resaerch , plus their Guest article writer Barry Brill, who was consequently interviewed on Leighton Smith's podcast. Link to NZCPR article: www.nzcpr.com/climate-change-alarmism/#more-37371Link to Barry Brill article: www.nzcpr.com/climate-revelations/Link to Barry Brill interview: www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/leighton-smith-podcast-episode-182-november-23rd-2022/The podcast alone is mandatory listening, especially when you consider the ramifications for NZ. Our climate policy and all the nonsense being done affecting the farming community is bogus now, as it was based on the now abandoned 5 degrees scenario. It was noted in the interview that there's been nothing from the NZ MSM, or the Government, even though they and Climate Minister James Shaw, would have been well aware of this change before he jetted off to the COP27 conference. It was noted by Mr Brill that it will take people who have invested so much into the now abandoned 5 degrees scenario to change their position and even admit that it was wrong.
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Post by typerated on Feb 16, 2023 9:17:50 GMT 12
Perhaps the most important science happening anywhere at the moment
BBC report on research at Twaites Glacier
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