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Post by davidd on Dec 4, 2022 10:32:18 GMT 12
Only reason I made the above post on the Dominie/Cessna 172 mid-air collision was to supplement Flyingkiwi's observation that relatively slow closing speeds of aircraft in close formation can greatly assist the odds of survival of the occupants (unlike the unfortunate incident that is the subject of this thread).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 14, 2023 15:07:34 GMT 12
Well this pretty well enlightens what happened.
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Post by planecrazy on Feb 3, 2023 9:56:54 GMT 12
Wow found that very sobering.
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Post by tbf2504 on Feb 3, 2023 12:54:20 GMT 12
The basic premise is to stick rigidly to the briefed plan, how many times have we seen airshow accidents where a pilot has deviated from the briefed plan with fatal or near fatal results
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 3, 2023 13:22:30 GMT 12
The basic premise is to stick rigidly to the briefed plan, how many times have we seen airshow accidents where a pilot has deviated from the briefed plan with fatal or near fatal results And even quickly formed plans obviously have additional risks. What stood out to me is the number of reactions from apparently experienced airshow people commenting on the number of detailed radio instructions being issued. No time for read-backs or clarifications. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 3, 2023 14:39:01 GMT 12
When you are supposed to follow directions from the air boss, and then the air boss makes changes different from the briefed plan mid-display and his changes cause the collision, there is not much more to be said.
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 3, 2023 17:08:51 GMT 12
Make a plan, brief the plan as a total formation, re-brief the plan in its individual elements by those elements, fly the plan and only deviate in the case of an emergency. Each individual aircraft has a 'contract' with its wingman/wingmen to be seen and avoid contact, each formation element has a 'contract' with the next to be seen and avoid contact.....only an emergency should change that and there should be no change by the airboss EVER to "make it pretty"....only in an emergency.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 3, 2023 21:19:28 GMT 12
But you talk like it was the pilots who decided to deviate. That air boss was controlling every move down to micro-management with his radio calls to the point where it became too much and confusing.
Is that normal at US airshows? Ans is there an air boss on the radio telling everyone in the sky where to fly during their display routine at NZ airshows?
I hate speculation over accidents but this one is clear where it all went wrong, and it was not the pilots of either aircraft as far as I can see. Or in this case, hear.
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 4, 2023 9:17:34 GMT 12
Dave, what I am saying is, the thing went wrong before they ever took off, Should never have been at the same level and the airboss chatter and change only compounded the issue resulting in those tragic deaths and the loss of those rare machines. I have attended the pilot briefing at Duxford for Flying Legends every time I have been privileged to commentate. The planning that goes into the formations and particularly the "Balbo" is astounding...how the individual elements are assembled, what they are to do and particularly how the formation is safely disassembled at the end. Even they have fallen foul of a mid-air.
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