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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2005 17:00:13 GMT 12
If anybody is attempting to model an RNZAF Fokker F27 Friendship in RNZAF colours, I have the orignal drawings that we used to paint them with when I was in the RNZAF. The drawings were about to be stuffed into a rubiish bin when the Friendships were retired in 1993, so I saved them. They have all the measurements and stuff from memory, so if they will help you, let me know. I can dig them out and scan them.
Actually I also have lots of drawings, notes and details on the RNZAF Avenger scheme too, because I was on the team that painted Tim Wallis's "Plonky". If anyone wants details I can dig out my notes. Some of the decals that have been produced are quite the wrong colours.
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Post by Craig Sargent on May 7, 2005 17:24:27 GMT 12
Dave, I'd certainly be interested in those drawings. Would be quite cool to be able to add F-27 decals to the Stinger range... I'm sure we could come to an arrangement.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2005 17:48:54 GMT 12
I'll look them out when I get a chance. I'll let you know when I find them.
Sadly there only seems to be 1/72nd scale Friendship kits available - Airfix and Esci. I always prefer 1/48th scale.
The Friendlys and their unit, NATTS, were based in No. 6 Hangar at Wigram, which is where I also worked (in the Parachute Bay, and Fabric Bay). They were cool aircraft, but damned noisy - especially when they used to wind the engines up to full tilt INSIDE the hangar!! I used to have to work with ear defenders on when they did that. I even got to fly one once, which was really good fun.
I remember hearing that one of the pilots rolled one out at sea once, because he'd always wondered if it could be done. He apparently returned white as a ghost and asked the maintenance guys to give it a full stress check, but never admitted to actually rolling it, so I hear. I wonder what his crewmates thought, if it did actually happen!
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Post by Bruce on May 7, 2005 18:11:04 GMT 12
I have a Friendship in my "to do" pile (awaiting more shelf space!) which is the old Airfix "troopship" kit. If Talon was doing some F27 decals I'd definitely buy a set. (I was thinking I'd print my own on Inkjet decal film, but its a pain when white lettering is involved....) The airfix kit is really typical of that brand, Im not sure if the shape is entirely accurate and of course theres the standard, infamous airfix rivets!  as with a lot of kits from airfix it also is set up for a retractable undercarriage and moving control surfaces so theres a bit of work involved to get it looking any good. Of course I'll also have to sort out some bubble windows and external fuel tanks....  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 7, 2005 18:22:12 GMT 12
The Esci kit was a better kit as far as production goes, ie without all the rivets. But I understand it was not the correct shape, and I hear that the Airfix one was just as bad. But they can be fixed I guess if you have the right skills. I used to have the Esci kit, unmade, but I gave it to a friend who really wanted the kit. I can't remember much more about it.
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Post by Bruce on May 7, 2005 21:34:39 GMT 12
I did a google search on the F27 kits and found this web site: www.xs4all.nl/~designer/models/f27/f27mod.htmwhich details the kitbashing required to make the airfix kit into a more accurate representation. - It has some scale drawing which may be downloaded showing the shape alterations required. |
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Post by Craig Sargent on May 8, 2005 10:36:57 GMT 12
Going the other way in scale, Doyusha also produced a very nice 1/100 or 1/144 scale kit, which had Air New Zealand markings in it.
The F-27 would be one I'd consider doing markings for, just a matter of sizing i.e., do I do them the correct size as per the painting drawings or "scale" them to the incorrect dimension of the Airfix kit (given that the Esci kit is no longer available easily - unless Italeri plan to re-release it).
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Post by Bruce on May 8, 2005 12:26:27 GMT 12
According to the web page I mentioned earlier, the airfix kit is fairly accurate in all the areas were the decals will be applied, the drawings suggest that the fuselage belly, nose (needs a Radar nose) and Dorsal fin extension are the only areas where alterations need to be made - The model will still be O.K. even without the mods. I was incorrect earlier when I mentioned the airfix rivets - I had a look at the kit again last night (first time for ages) and it doesnt have any - just raised panel lines....Perhaps the rivetter was broken!
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Post by turboNZ on May 8, 2005 17:49:36 GMT 12
Sorry to steer a little clear of the modelling but is that engineless Friendship still down at Wigram by the old control tower ?
I'm down in ChCh next month for a couple of days so I could take some pics if anyone here is interested.
TNZ
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 8, 2005 18:14:22 GMT 12
Definately please take some pics Chris, but be aware in case you don't know, that's not an RNZAF original. It's ex-Air New Zealand, which they donated. It is intended to paint it to represent one of the NATTS ones I think.
But pictures would be appreciated.
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Post by turboNZ on May 8, 2005 19:04:24 GMT 12
Ah, I didn't know that. But yes, I will take some piccies. CC |
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Post by Bruce on May 8, 2005 22:56:06 GMT 12
A closer relation to the RNZAF machines would be the Air Post machines which are also series 120s ex Air New Zealand. I could be wrong , but the F27 at wigram now is one of the later series 500s which had a slightly stretched fuselage. I saw it about 2 years ago and it looked decidedly - nibbled at..... Must get back to my current model which is causing me a bit of grief - a 1/72 Avro 626 |
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Post by Bruce on May 8, 2005 22:58:15 GMT 12
before anyone takes me up on the airpost machines, they probably arent series 120 now, they have large cargo loading doors...... |
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Post by Ivan on May 11, 2005 10:21:21 GMT 12
These are the Friendships still registered on the New Zealand Civil aircraft Register. Interesting that there are still 2 registered to Air New Zealand.
ZK Registration Mark : ZK-BXG
Aircraft : Fokker F27 Mk 100
Serial Number : 10189
Aircraft Type : Aeroplane
Max. Takeoff Weight : 18370 kg
Aircraft Owner : Air New Zealand Ltd
Private Bag 92007
AUCKLAND 1030
ZK Registration Mark : ZK-BXH
Aircraft : Fokker F27 Mk 100
Serial Number : 10190
Aircraft Type : Aeroplane
Max. Takeoff Weight : 18370 kg
Aircraft Owner : Air New Zealand Ltd
Private Bag 92007
AUCKLAND 1030
ZK Registration Mark : ZK-NAN
Aircraft : Fokker F27 Mk 500
Serial Number : 10365
Aircraft Type : Aeroplane
Max. Takeoff Weight : 20412 kg
Aircraft Owner : Airwork (NZ) Ltd
P O Box 72 516
PAPAKURA 1730
ZK Registration Mark : ZK-NAO
Aircraft : Fokker F27 Mk 500
Serial Number : 10364
Aircraft Type : Aeroplane
Max. Takeoff Weight : 20412 kg
Aircraft Owner : Airwork (NZ) Ltd
P O Box 72 516
PAPAKURA 1730
ZK Registration Mark : ZK-POH
Aircraft : Fokker F27 Mk 500
Serial Number : 10680
Aircraft Type : Aeroplane
Max. Takeoff Weight : 20820 kg
Aircraft Owner : Airwork (NZ) Ltd
P O Box 72 516
PAPAKURA 1730
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Post by Bruce on May 11, 2005 11:07:16 GMT 12
Oops... that does prove me wrong (it happens sometimes  The machine at Wigram is a 100 series machine (it is one of the "BX" regos) Despite seeing the Airpost (Airwork) F27s I hadnt noticed they were long fuselage 500 series.... Learn something new everyday Cheers Ivan. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 18, 2005 23:51:58 GMT 12
Just an update to say I have been searching for those blasted F27 drawings but they were not where I thought I'd stored them. They are around somewhere, neatly tucked away in their tube, and I will find them. Just a matter of time. I'll let you all know when they turn up.   |
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Post by Bruce on May 19, 2005 9:47:10 GMT 12
Is this the latest archeological expedition? (I know the story - my place is just as bad for finding things.....) Might find a Bren Gun carrier! |
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as with a lot of kits from airfix it also is set up for a retractable undercarriage and moving control surfaces so theres a bit of work involved to get it looking any good. Of course I'll also have to sort out some bubble windows and external fuel tanks.... 
The machine at Wigram is a 100 series machine (it is one of the "BX" regos) Despite seeing the Airpost (Airwork) F27s I hadnt noticed they were long fuselage 500 series.... Learn something new everyday 
