mroz
Flying Officer
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Post by mroz on Feb 20, 2024 17:40:24 GMT 12
Australia to immediately begin the eventual full retirement of all its ANZAC Frigates and to acquire 11 new general-purpose frigates. (in addition to 6 [not 9] Hunter class]. The 11 new general purpose frigates will provide maritime and land strike, air defence and escort capabilities, according to information released by the government in a statement on 20 February.
The new general purpose frigates will be accelerated to replace the Anzac Class frigates commissioned in the 1990s and early 2000s, with planned transition capability assurance upgrades no longer required.I suspect - I do NOT know, this is what Wellington has been waiting to likely go public, with its own planning on?? - Thought, 11 + 4 makes 15 (they tell me) www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/13646-australia-commits-to-modern-and-lethal-general-purpose-frigates#:~:text=The%20new%20general%20purpose%20frigates%20will%20be%20modern%2C%20capable%20and,Henderson%20precinct%20in%20Western%20Australia. |
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Post by obiwan27 on Feb 21, 2024 11:43:10 GMT 12
Australia to immediately begin the eventual full retirement of all its ANZAC Frigates and to acquire 11 new general-purpose frigates. (in addition to 6 [not 9] Hunter class]. The 11 new general purpose frigates will provide maritime and land strike, air defence and escort capabilities, according to information released by the government in a statement on 20 February.
The new general purpose frigates will be accelerated to replace the Anzac Class frigates commissioned in the 1990s and early 2000s, with planned transition capability assurance upgrades no longer required.I suspect - I do NOT know, this is what Wellington has been waiting to likely go public, with its own planning on?? - Thought, 11 + 4 makes 15 (they tell me) www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/13646-australia-commits-to-modern-and-lethal-general-purpose-frigates#:~:text=The%20new%20general%20purpose%20frigates%20will%20be%20modern%2C%20capable%20and,Henderson%20precinct%20in%20Western%20Australia. Hmmm I am not a naval person, but is there an option for the RNZN to pick up 3 Hunter Class frigates, now that the RAN has reduced it's order in a strategic move to have something ready to replace our own ANZAC frigates? Details here : www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/future/ffgPerhaps those with relevant Naval background could comment? thanks. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 21, 2024 12:16:18 GMT 12
Let's hope not. We do not need frigates.
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Post by Antonio on Feb 21, 2024 13:20:48 GMT 12
Let's hope not. We do not need frigates. What then do we need? Pray tell. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 21, 2024 13:21:55 GMT 12
An aircraft carrier.
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Post by Calum on Feb 21, 2024 13:57:44 GMT 12
Australia to immediately begin the eventual full retirement of all its ANZAC Frigates and to acquire 11 new general-purpose frigates. (in addition to 6 [not 9] Hunter class]. The 11 new general purpose frigates will provide maritime and land strike, air defence and escort capabilities, according to information released by the government in a statement on 20 February.
The new general purpose frigates will be accelerated to replace the Anzac Class frigates commissioned in the 1990s and early 2000s, with planned transition capability assurance upgrades no longer required.I suspect - I do NOT know, this is what Wellington has been waiting to likely go public, with its own planning on?? - Thought, 11 + 4 makes 15 (they tell me) www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/13646-australia-commits-to-modern-and-lethal-general-purpose-frigates#:~:text=The%20new%20general%20purpose%20frigates%20will%20be%20modern%2C%20capable%20and,Henderson%20precinct%20in%20Western%20Australia. Hmmm I am not a naval person, but is there an option for the RNZN to pick up 3 Hunter Class frigates, now that the RAN has reduced it's order in a strategic move to have something ready to replace our own ANZAC frigates? Details here : www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/future/ffgPerhaps those with relevant Naval background could comment? thanks. The RAN Hunter is optimised for ASW and has been bastardised by the Australians. It's also a 10000 ton ship so is heavier than their Hobart Class AWD but less well armed. I suspect it will be a expensive lemon. The RNZN would be mad to consider it. They'd be better off looking at what the RAN buy for the Tier 2 ship and purchases some of those. E.g Type 31 or even looking a the USN Constollation class Frigate (which is actually an Italian design IIRC) |
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Post by gibbo on Feb 21, 2024 16:58:42 GMT 12
Let's hope not. We do not need frigates. I suspect the Aussies will be stongly telling the NZ Govt otherwise Dave. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 21, 2024 19:12:17 GMT 12
I was only kidding with the aircraft carrier joke. Though it would be nice.
If we do need new frigates, I don't think we will get them any time soon. They cannot get enough people to run the ships we have, as it is, and investing in more ships will leave less money for everything else.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Feb 21, 2024 19:51:07 GMT 12
And there i was thinking you had gone green and PC with NZs new carriers to be steam powered with stokers earning their keep feeding East Coast pine slash into the boilers while the air fleet would be Crescos modified to dump sheep shit onto Red Sea pirates.
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 22, 2024 8:03:47 GMT 12
USA, Oz and just about everyone else have the same issues trying to crew ships. God alone knows what shall happen when we find ourselves with a harbour full of Virginia Class subs.......
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Post by pepe on Feb 22, 2024 9:28:36 GMT 12
Hmmm I am not a naval person, but is there an option for the RNZN to pick up 3 Hunter Class frigates, now that the RAN has reduced it's order in a strategic move to have something ready to replace our own ANZAC frigates? Details here : www.navy.gov.au/fleet/ships-boats-craft/future/ffgPerhaps those with relevant Naval background could comment? thanks. The RAN Hunter is optimised for ASW and has been bastardised by the Australians. It's also a 10000 ton ship so is heavier than their Hobart Class AWD but less well armed. I suspect it will be a expensive lemon. The RNZN would be mad to consider it. They'd be better off looking at what the RAN buy for the Tier 2 ship and purchases some of those. E.g Type 31 or even looking a the USN Constollation class Frigate (which is actually an Italian design IIRC) However, I note that neither the Type 31 nor USN Constellation class actually made the shortlist for the Australian Tier 2 project. I am not saying they are bad choices, but we will lose much commonality with our cousins across the ditch. In regard to the lack of manpower almost all of the Tier 2 frigates being discussed have much lower crew requirements than our existing ships. |
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Post by Calum on Feb 22, 2024 13:51:36 GMT 12
The RAN Hunter is optimised for ASW and has been bastardised by the Australians. It's also a 10000 ton ship so is heavier than their Hobart Class AWD but less well armed. I suspect it will be a expensive lemon. The RNZN would be mad to consider it. They'd be better off looking at what the RAN buy for the Tier 2 ship and purchases some of those. E.g Type 31 or even looking a the USN Constollation class Frigate (which is actually an Italian design IIRC) However, I note that neither the Type 31 nor USN Constellation class actually made the shortlist for the Australian Tier 2 project. I am not saying they are bad choices, but we will lose much commonality with our cousins across the ditch. In regard to the lack of manpower almost all of the Tier 2 frigates being discussed have much lower crew requirements than our existing ships. Yes, I wrote that before I'd read the announcement fully and noticed those 2 were absent. I have little confidenve the RAN will not bastardise the process defeating the actual point . They seem to not be able to help themselves. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 29, 2024 23:06:35 GMT 12
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Post by nighthawknz on Mar 1, 2024 4:41:12 GMT 12
LOL We haven't even got the enough personal to man it let alone man it as well as a strike group task force... lol |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Mar 1, 2024 16:32:40 GMT 12
What an opportunity, Co-purchase between RNZN and Kiwirail ...ferry bye day, Navy at night
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 1, 2024 20:05:26 GMT 12
We do not need personnel for it though, all we need to do is tell the world we have an aircraft carrier, and they will think twice about anything nefarious.
Would look pretty cool with the No. 14 Squadron Texans operating from the deck.
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