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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 22, 2006 22:02:34 GMT 12
Let's have a thread dedicated to NZ's own military aircraft, the Airtrainer.
Any photos are welcome. Have you photos of the Thai, RAAF, RNZAF, Indonesian or other examples?
Or the later model versions in service now?
How about shots of prototype ZK-DGY? I'd love to see photos of it in its US scheme when they were didding for the US contract.
How about any info on the almost sales?
I've read in a Wings magazine that PAC was selling some to Denmark, and Norway was expected to also buy them. What happened to that deal?
That is seperate I think from the Breco deal where they were selling Airtrainers to Switzerland, but the sale was stopped by the NZ Govt when they found they were being onsold to Rhodesia or something. Those aircraft, which were built, eventually went to the RAAF.
I know these aircraft are mainly military but I stuck the thread in the civil board as it's a civvie manufacturer and was one time owned by NAC.
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Post by corsair67 on Dec 28, 2006 14:05:18 GMT 12
Here is one from Wigram in March.  All my older images are in Christchurch, but I'll have a dig through them when I'm there again in March. |
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Post by corsair67 on Dec 28, 2006 14:16:23 GMT 12
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Post by stu on Dec 28, 2006 14:45:31 GMT 12
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Post by stu on Dec 28, 2006 15:40:34 GMT 12
From a previous post some months ago starring ZK-DGY and pertaining to Helen Clark's respect for the RNZAF ....  Cheers (and apologies for the lack of taste), Stu. |
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Post by Bruce on Dec 28, 2006 16:51:18 GMT 12
Hey Stu, Youve got one of my ex - CityJet registrations!  (TZL is the old Bandit currently in use as a fire training aid at Hamilton...) Nice looking Robin, but sorry, unless youve been drinking something fairly strong its not much like a CT-4! that syndicate share sounds interesting. |
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Post by stu on Dec 28, 2006 17:11:50 GMT 12
Nice looking Robin, but sorry, unless youve been drinking something fairly strong its not much like a CT-4! Yes it is, same number of wings and engines and wheels  Yep, agree with you Bruce - probably a bit vague with my attempt at "wishful thinking" humour. Cheers, Stu. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 28, 2006 17:22:39 GMT 12
Great photos. Very poignant that just after I started this thread I found out that Pat Monk had just died. When did DGY crash? And where? I never knew it had crashed, nor did I know it wore the RNZAF Kiwi. Here is the one and only CT-4C, which was NZ1940 after it crashed, was rebuilt, leased to PAC ltd for trials, and then returned to service as a B model as NZ1940 again. I saw it display at Hamilton and was very impressed. I have footage of it too.  Here are the RNZAF's CT-4B's on their last day at Wigram before flying north to Ohakea.    I'd love to see photos of the CT-4B's that donned one-off trial colour schemes when they went to Ohakea - one went black, another red, another yellow, etc to see which scheme showed up best to the other aircraft in the circuit. Anyone got shots of these? Also, has anyone got photos of DGY in USAF scheme? |
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Post by stu on Dec 28, 2006 17:42:01 GMT 12
When did DGY crash? And where? I never knew it had crashed, nor did I know it wore the RNZAF Kiwi. To quote the CAA report ...... Accident Brief, Occurrence # 03/3122
Registration: ZK-DGY
Nature of Flight: private other
Aircraft Model: Pacific Aerospace CT/4 Airtrainer
Pilot Licence: Private Pilot Licence (Aeroplane)
Date and Time: 01 Nov 03 at 12:42
Pilot Age: 21 yrs
Location: Ardmore
POB: 2
Flying Hours (Total): 179
Flying Hours (on Type): 8
Last 90 Days: 4
Injuries (Fatal): nil
Injuries (Serious): nil Injuries (Minor): nil Damage: substantial
Publishing Ref: Vector Nov/Dec 2004
Date Published: 27 Aug 04
Synopsis
The aircraft lost power during the climb, and the pilot carried out an emergency landing into a paddock. The aircraft was substantially damaged, but no injuries to the pilot and passenger were sustained. A Civil Aviation Authority field investigation, plus engineering tests, could not determine the cause of the engine failure.Few more photos here ... www.warbirdrestoration.co.nz/past.html#ct4Cheers, Stu. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 28, 2006 18:12:09 GMT 12
Cheers Stu.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 28, 2006 19:10:33 GMT 12
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Post by kiwi on Dec 29, 2006 11:09:16 GMT 12
Classic Flyers at Tauranga operate a CT4B in a scheme similar to the current RNZAF one .
When the current RNZAF scheme was being considered I believe one aircraft was painted red , another yellow , another black and a fourth was painted white in an effort to find the one which was most appropriate for the job . As well as this one aircraft was given a combination of these colours .
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Post by xr6turbo1 on Dec 29, 2006 13:08:58 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 29, 2006 13:26:48 GMT 12
Excellent stuff Gavin. What was that nine-ship formation for? It looks pretty low too.
Its nice to see modern Airtrainers and Iroquois at "home" on the Wigram apron where they should be.
Any Red Checkers shots are appreciated, as they are the main public face of the Airtrainer, I don't think any other air forces used the type in display teams, did they?
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Post by kiwi on Dec 30, 2006 21:07:37 GMT 12
Although at first glance the current Red Checkers scheme appears to be identical from aircraft to aircraft it is not . There appears to be two font styles and the use of symbols and their size varies too , I thought I would mention this for the modellers .
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 2, 2007 15:43:10 GMT 12
Yes, we have discussed this before on here regarding the differnet markings and the upshot of it seems to be that probably the civil ontractors don't take the same pride in their work as the military did. The font has changed on Harvard NZ1015 too, and looks just wrong now.
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Post by corsair67 on Jan 2, 2007 15:49:23 GMT 12
Agreed! The curved font looked much better on NZ1015.
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Post by xr6turbo1 on Jan 7, 2007 13:07:54 GMT 12
Excellent stuff Gavin. What was that nine-ship formation for? It looks pretty low too. Its nice to see modern Airtrainers and Iroquois at "home" on the Wigram apron where they should be. Any Red Checkers shots are appreciated, as they are the main public face of the Airtrainer, I don't think any other air forces used the type in display teams, did they? The nine ship was for some parade at Woodbourne, not sure what for, they were quite low and they did the pass twice, pity it wasnt a bit brighter that day. Not sure what height they were but I remember having to wait from them to appear from behind some big trees to get the photos  It was a nice formation |
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Post by Radialicious on Jan 7, 2007 19:28:54 GMT 12
I'm picking the lettering on the side of NZ1015 is a transfer and the folks down at Bulls Signage and Shittage don't have that one on their machine. The Historic Flight is typically run by a couple of old school SNCO's who can't let go. They love both their aircraft to death and I'm a bit surprised they didn't grab a crusty old S&S mate from Sanson's 'Pay Up and Park Up' Retirement Village to paint the letters and numbers on the old way.
Mustang 15 has the TAF lettering in a more contemporary style these days on the cowl after her repaint and it doesn't look quite right either.
Harvard 15 has paint on her skin only as a guide for those who look after her, to know when to stop polishing!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 10, 2007 15:39:28 GMT 12
Gavin, do you happen to ahve a date (approximate if not accurate) of the nine-ship formation please?
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(TZL is the old Bandit currently in use as a fire training aid at Hamilton...) Nice looking Robin, but sorry, unless youve been drinking something fairly strong its not much like a CT-4! that syndicate share sounds interesting.
