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Post by Peter Lewis on Apr 12, 2008 14:13:17 GMT 12
In response to a PM request, photos of three Cubs while in service with the Waikato Aero Club. ZK-BKU - Came from Stratford and Te Kuiti, sold to Sky Advertising for use at North Shore. Rukuhia 12May1966  ZK-BQS - bought new, sold to G N Begg of Dunedin in 1974 Onerahi 27Jan1964  ZK-BTQ - Came from Rotorua, sold to Confederate Air Force at North Shore 1983 Ardmore 15Mar1965  |
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Post by pa18 on Apr 14, 2008 15:41:24 GMT 12
Wonderful.
Ah....Carb heat on ,throttle closed ,three winds back on the trim,steady green light from the tower.wiggle wings...bump..bump...
Thank you Peter
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Post by Bruce on Apr 14, 2008 16:21:20 GMT 12
Lovely pictures of lovely aeroplanes. Personally I dont think PA18's look as nice with Spats as the J3 series, but still very cool.
I note a James aviation Ag Dak in the background of the last photo - sitting outside the Barr Bros (Flight engineers) Hangar.
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Post by corsair67 on Apr 14, 2008 18:36:08 GMT 12
Very nice shots there, Peter. They are such a classic Piper product.
Were they flown solo from the front or back seat? I saw some footage recently of a J3(?) and it was being flown from the back seat, but I assume that has something to do with them being somewhat smaller than a PA-18?
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Post by Bruce on Apr 14, 2008 18:56:06 GMT 12
PA18s are soloed from the front, J3s from the rear. I'm not sure why. structurally the two types are virtually identical - the J3 / L4 isnt any smaller. It does have a lower HP engine, but the weight differnces between the J3's C65 and the PA18-90's O-200 shouldnt make a lot of difference with regards to seating position. J3s only have 1 wing fuel tank, (and one in front of the windscreen) which probably has more influence on the seating. PA18s have both tanks in the wings.
Other differences between a J3 and a PA18 are the cowls, the rudder shape and how the wing spars join in the fuselage. PA18A's were agricultural varients and have flaps and a different shape to the cabin roof.
Have to say I have a soft spot for Super Cubs as I did my trade training looking after 4 or 5 of them in the early 1990s. regos I remember are BQN, BOX and BKH. They have plenty of character, and were sensibly built and they certainly influenced the design of the Adventurer.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Apr 14, 2008 20:58:05 GMT 12
In a tandem two-seater, the passenger sits on the C of G datum of the aircraft. Therefore by design the presence/absence of this person does not affect the balance of the machine ( in a lot of early aircraft, e.g. Bristol Fighter, if a crew member was not carried ballast had to be placed on board instead).
So logically the centre of balance must differ between the J- series Cubs and the Super Cubs to allow the PIC to occupy the front seat of the PA18 rather than the rear seat.
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Post by corsair67 on Apr 15, 2008 12:51:17 GMT 12
Thanks for the explanation Bruce and Peter: it did look odd to see the J3 being flown from the backseat though.
There's a nice article in April's Pacific Wings about a guy learning to fly in Super Cub ZK-BNL at the Canterbury Aero Club. His father had flown Super Cubs for many years, so he convinced the CAC to let him learn to fly in BNL; something that apparently was last done over 20 years ago.
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Post by pa18 on Apr 16, 2008 13:24:16 GMT 12
In the background just in front of BKU's prop are the ATCO's houses.
One Bob Hillman in those days
Anyone in touch with him now?
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Post by John L on Apr 16, 2008 16:40:54 GMT 12
Great!
I did many happy hours in BKU at North Shore in the mid - late 60's (and BTV, BSK & BQQ).
Never actually flew a plane with flaps until well after my PPL and "more modern" C150's and PA28's started turning up.
I still prefer the Cub though!
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