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Post by mumbles on Mar 5, 2007 20:28:16 GMT 12
I think the 108 is about two thirds early series 109 anyway. As far as I recall I think the wings and rear fuselage are common to both, however I am sure other forum members can either confirm or refute this .
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Post by mumbles on Mar 5, 2007 20:38:17 GMT 12
Yes, that wingtip vortice sound was incredible - did anyone else hear that? I was stood with my mate Sqn ldr Mike Going, and engineering officer, and he said it's really rare to hear that - it was a first time for me. It was like some shuddery thing from a horror film :-) I missed the vortice effect as the herc was well into his pullup by the time he got to my position, but I did hear a weird sort of whirr from the 757 on its high speed pass that I hadn't noticed before. Cool..... ;D
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Post by stu on Mar 5, 2007 21:05:27 GMT 12
I think the 108 is about two thirds early series 109 anyway. As far as I recall I think the wings and rear fuselage are common to both, however I am sure other forum members can either confirm or refute this . To quote "Classic Aircraft of New Zealand" (cut and paste because I'm too lazy to re-type it all) .... "The Bf 108A proved so popular that in 1935, the four-seat Bf 108B touring version appeared on the scene. As well as the addition of the extra two seats, the engine was changed to a 240 hp Argus As 10C inverted V8 driving a two-blade propeller and the tailskid of the A model was replaced with a tail wheel. Modifications were also made to the vertical stabiliser and rudder and the external bracing was removed from the tailplane. One aircraft (D-IELE) was experimentally fitted with a 160 hp Siemens Sh 14A radial engine but was found to be unsatisfactory and never entered production while a proposed high speed version, the 400 hp Hirth HM 512 powered Bf 108C, never made it off the drawing board. This Bf 108B accounted for the vast majority of all Taifuns produced and, in addition to being used for the purpose it was designed, was entered in many air races in the late 1930s, winning several. Taifuns also appeared in air displays and rallies at the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games, an event that was better remembered as a propaganda showcase for Nazi Germany. With the aircraft’s success came interest from the Luftwaffe and the Bf 108 was soon pressed into service in a number of roles such as communications and liaisons duties and as an air ambulance. It also served as the basis for a more well-known and feared Bayerische Flugzeugwerke product that was developed specifically for the military, the Bf 109 fighter. The (simplified) story goes that after much political wrangling, Messerschmitt secured a contract for a prototype of a new fighter. Design work began in 1934 that basically involved taking the plans of the Bf 108, converting it to a single-seater with the pilot positioned where the rear seat would have originally been, narrowing the fuselage, attaching a suitably powerful V12 engine to the front and arming the aircraft with a mixture of machine guns and cannon. The rest, as they say, is history". If anybody wants more, I can paste the whole 108 type history as written for the book. Cheers, Stu.
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Post by Kereru on Mar 6, 2007 11:49:57 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 6, 2007 12:28:45 GMT 12
Very nice photos there, Colin.
The Red Checkers look fantastic against the blue sky.
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Post by kiwi on Mar 6, 2007 12:52:46 GMT 12
The C17 was retasked at the 11th hour to Timor I believe , so the Aussie support crew for the F111's were flown out on Qantas .
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Post by Kereru on Mar 6, 2007 12:58:16 GMT 12
Very nice photos there, Colin. The Red Checkers look fantastic against the blue sky. Thanks, yes the blue sky was great and a welcome change to the last Open day I attended at Whenuapai. ;D Another couple I forgot to load up of the Casa 235. Colin
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 14:24:38 GMT 12
Colin, fantastic photos mate. I am really impressed by that first parachute shot, the white tandem one, the canopy looks great in that shot. Also the Boeing and Checkers shots! I have a few reasonable shots, mostly ground shots. Bf108 and the Harvard team P-51D ZK-TAF Giles 202 ZK-NUT, one of the nuttiest planes I've seen Tiger Moth ZK-BEN The static F-111 and Static Orion The F-111 cockpit noseart F-111 Orion tail
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 14:30:50 GMT 12
Some for Beagle, the Safety and Surface display Sorry this one's a little fuzzy, MS10 Liferaft and Single Seat raft From memory a T-10 parachute? Static line anyway Single seat raft The ramair chutes used by Kiwi Blue, etc
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 14:42:56 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 14:48:36 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Mar 6, 2007 15:00:26 GMT 12
You got some great shots there, Dave. Were the RAAF guys selling t-shirts, hats and stubbie coolers at all?
Does anyone know how many people turned out to the show?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 15:02:04 GMT 12
Another of the Boeing, sparkling in the sunshine The Forumites Left to Right - Bruce Cooke (Bruce), Colin Hunter (Kereru), myself, Sam Hall (Mumbles), Stu Russell (Stu), Damon Edwards (Damon) and Les Stockwell (lestpk). Earlier in the day some of us had met Peter Lewis (flyernzl) too, and Simon Gault was also there but missed the meet. Bruce and I caught up with him later. A successful forum meet all in all but next time we have to do it in a place we can sit down for a chat over a pint. Thanks to the faithful erk that Les commandeered to take the photo. Due to the beautiful blue sky and calm weather, Kiwi Blue's display looked better than I'd ever seen it before. I was really impressed and parachutists don't normally impress me.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 15:09:21 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 15:16:07 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 15:27:33 GMT 12
An RNZAF Pinzgauer (note they've run Air and Force into one word, oh dear...) The P-51D going home The Harvards from the other side of the fence (thanks Simon!) And finally the P-40 about to return to Ardmore flown by Liz Needham, NZ's only female P-40 pilot (?) with Trevor Bland in the back seat.
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Post by beagle on Mar 6, 2007 15:35:05 GMT 12
Cheers for that dave, the computer desk lifted there for a while but have it all under control now. Looks like the rafts used for display purposes are like new as the ones I had to use were wet drill ones which were serviciable items but been used plenty of times in practise.
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Post by dpdouglas on Mar 6, 2007 21:07:07 GMT 12
The day was a superb turnout and it was awesome blue sky for an airshow so i thought it was fantastic. I was there in my service dress blue uniform for Atc walking amongst the crowd enjoying the atmosphere and excitement of it all so yea. Too bad i cudnt meet up with you other forum people as it would have been an awesome time but yea i didnt know you would be there.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 6, 2007 21:35:24 GMT 12
Sorry you missed us Darren. Also sorry Steve for missing you, we were stood right by the 6 Sqn stand for about 10 minutes, opposite the Lost Children pen (which was curiously full of aircrew!).
Well done to all the ATC cadets who put in a lot of hours doing the less glamorous tasks like carpark duty. Same goes for the regular RNZAF personnel too, I'm sure many of those stuck in the hangars answering questions were gagging to be out with us watching the show.
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Post by Kereru on Mar 8, 2007 12:43:31 GMT 12
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