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Post by dpdouglas on Oct 3, 2007 9:47:05 GMT 12
It is to my sad dissmay that the world we live in is way too PC.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 3, 2007 10:12:12 GMT 12
Brief but effective.
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 3, 2007 11:08:25 GMT 12
I'm sorry, but I have no problem with PC. The world would be much worse if everything was MAC! ;D But seriously, yes, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments: not that I let PC get in my way very often - I still tend to say what I want to say, even though some people may not want to hear it!  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 3, 2007 14:59:29 GMT 12
I agree with both your sentiments there Craig. Mac's are rubbish, and politcal correctness - though in some circumstances does make people aware of how intolerent they are and is in a few circumstances warranted - is way over the top and mostly ridiculous. When some jumped up little politician or beauracrat starts telling us what to say and think, oit flies totally in the face of free thought and freedom of speech.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 3, 2007 15:00:04 GMT 12
Oh and, what does this have to do with the ATC board? Is it in the wrong place perhaps Darren?
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Post by Kereru on Oct 3, 2007 16:06:01 GMT 12
Okay I'll bite. ;D I have no problem with Mac's they hardly ever crash and don't need virus protection?? They are almost the same as a PC now using Intel processors and can run Windows programs if you want to step backwards. ;D The ads are great.  www.apple.com/getamac/ads/Colin |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 3, 2007 18:44:59 GMT 12
Reel him in boys ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 4, 2007 14:05:33 GMT 12
But Mac's are rubbish. I prefer anoraks.
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Post by Kereru on Oct 4, 2007 16:15:23 GMT 12
But Mac's are rubbish. I prefer anoraks. ah ha but they don't protect from virus? ;D See you Saturday with your Anorak? Cheers |
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Post by dpdouglas on Oct 4, 2007 17:46:46 GMT 12
umm Im just mentioning it because lately at ATC we as a corps are supposed to act a certain way, say certain things and most of all not do things which could be enjoyed. Because it has come to my attention that and this may be way out of line but paintball sure is concidered a "war" game but I mean we are an air force flavoured chunk of the NZCF yet because its "war" based we can't do it as an activity which makes no sense as it is great team building and alot of fun and its out of the ordinary. To put it frank society these days is way to into political correctness. anyone else agree?
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 4, 2007 19:18:35 GMT 12
You've got to be joking: they won't let you play paintball because it's too much like war?  |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 4, 2007 20:27:30 GMT 12
When I was a cadet paintball was not an official activity or exercise, although such unofficial outings were organised amongst ourselves to satisfy our curiosity. Parachuting is another example of an activity that has ever been approved for conduct as an official NZCF activity. From memory there was a list of activities/exercises that must be approved by NZCF, or at least, if it was not on the list it required approval to be conducted at unit level. So nothing has changed since 1987 with regards to that. Now days it's all about risk management and liability.
Two things that did change during my cadet years were the alteration of rifle targets from the military enemy soldier target to the standard 5A facing only (anything of human form was not to be used). The other was the wearing of camouflage on bush activities. We used to walk around dressed up in old army gear and packs, then the supplies stopped, the uniform was made unofficial and it was forbidden to wear such clothing in the bush. High visibility gear was provided (there were exceptions for night exercises etc though). That uniform change was for the better, it does not make sense if you aren't hiding from anyone, to wear attire that may make you invisible to searchers in the event you get lost or injured.
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Post by flycookie on Oct 5, 2007 16:00:47 GMT 12
Yes yes yes, how VERY amusing to see the poor, misguided Windows slaves doing their songs and dances. Perhaps they're trying to compensate for something? Ha! Still, it's not all beer and skittles in the sunlit uplands of Macland..... www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/date_of_apple_backlash_setDate Of Apple Backlash Set For March 21, 2008 OCTOBER 3, 2007 | ISSUE 43•40 NEW YORK—In the face of Apple, Inc.'s 3- billionth iTunes sale and soaring stock price, some Wall Street forecasters are predicting that consumers will finally get fed up with the computer manufacturer's high retail prices and various product bugs sometime between March 20 and 22 of next year. "At the current rate, we believe that at this time a sea change will occur in which people will look down at their glossy white or black devices and feel a sense of embarrassment and gullibility," Goldman Sachs analyst Steven Shore said. "They will realize that, despite all the sleek design, they got caught up in a wave of hype that made them shell out additional hundreds of dollars for options and features they didn't need. Until then, I would like to point out that my iPhone is, like, totally f**king awesome." Apple has responded to the backlash rumours by announcing the late-October release of a mint green iPod in time for the holiday shopping season, a strategy that appears to have silenced naysayers at least temporarily. |
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Post by dpdouglas on Oct 6, 2007 12:57:48 GMT 12
ummm ok thats way out of the subject. but oh well. See what I am referring to about paintball is because it is considered a "war"" game we as a corps cant play it but yes we can play it unnoficially although we cant involve it as a unit activity inviting anyone from the unit they must be 'friend'. and yes the DPM dress are allowed to be worn but only by NCOs and Officers with the addition of rank slides and ATC baseball cap which is good, cadets are not allowed to wear camo as you said it would make it difficult to find you if you were injured or lost.
and correct me if Im wrong but isnt the initial aim of the NZCF to provide civilian teenagers with military training in the hopes of providing service in the future so whyhas this changed so much since then I realise because we dont have WW1 or WW2 happening but we still have the war in Iraq and other investments which the government should build on such as the countless amounts of NZCF personnel in the future could be recruited to provide personnel for operations correct or even provide at home security. e.g homeland security?
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 6, 2007 16:05:43 GMT 12
Sorry, but in my opinion your interpretation of the aims of NZCF are incorrect. The three aims are:
1. Foster a spirit of adventure and teamwork, and develop those qualities of mind and body essential for good citizens and leaders;
2. Provide challenging and disciplined training activities that will be useful in either service or civilian life; and
3. Promote and awareness of the armed forces and the role they play in the community.
The focus is clearly on providing a military style environment (even St John etc use a structure based on military organisation) to develop young people to be the leaders and good citizens of tomorrow, with good life values and standards. It does not provide concentrated military training as it was formed to do during 1941, when the numbers of aircrew being killed necessitated the preparation of young people to enter service as soon as they were old enough.
Times have changed, the ATC does not aim to prepare youth for RNZAF service, although obviously a background in the ATC would help greatly with knowledge etc, if that career path was chosen by an individual.
My ATC experience certainly put me in good stead for my chosen career, from a basic aviation knowledge, to maintaining a good standard of dress and bearing.
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Post by dpdouglas on Oct 6, 2007 21:25:57 GMT 12
I realise that is the aims of the NZCF nowadays especially considering Im an NCO in the ATC but what about back in the days of WW1 and WW2 what were their aim?
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 7, 2007 11:54:02 GMT 12
World War One? The ATC was formed in 1941, not 1914. The aim I guess was to provide training for young men to prepare them for military service.
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Post by dpdouglas on Oct 7, 2007 21:06:41 GMT 12
yes I realise I meant in terms of their being a war. and I still dont see the point to why the aim nowadays cant be the same I mean we dont have a lack in personnel but it could be an excellent resource had there be another world war. correct?
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 7, 2007 21:28:12 GMT 12
New Zealand will never play a significant role in any major conflict for the foreseeable future. Times have changed with history and politics, the nature of war is not the same, nor is the way in which we think about preparations for going to (or indeed, preventing) war (the ACF is a case in point). So I'm afraid I am inclined to disagree with your sentiments. I also believe that if another world war broke out, one of the last concerns for anyone still alive on the planet would be reserves of troops or service personnel.
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Post by steve on Oct 7, 2007 22:20:43 GMT 12
As long as there are two men left on the planet there will be war. As an island state we have natural protection however the pacific is very unstable and I believe that forward conflict in the pacific islands or north of australia is very possible. I have just come back from a asia tour including indonesia and understand even more that that the region is far from peaceful. Our cadet forces should not slip into a social club but remain a source of intake to the military if required. The NZ cadet force should once again have attachments to the colleges as in the past.
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