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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 19, 2006 19:41:01 GMT 12
I just saw a news update that stated the NZ Govt has a buyer lined up for the M113 APC's which they've replaced, but the US Government is preventing them being onsold to anyone. So the Government now has to scrap them!
Can anyone please explain to me how on earth the Yanks can step in and order NZ about like this? Is it because they were bought under some cheap deal from the US (like Lend Lease) or something? Why would NZ Defence go to the trouble of tendering them, finding a buyer and then finding they can't sell them? It seems stupid to me.
Pretty much like when we were trying to sell our Skyhawks and the US kept intervening. They don't mind selling weapons to terrorist groups themselves so why should they care who we sell stuff to?
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Post by Calum on Feb 23, 2006 19:38:58 GMT 12
Easy really, pretty much any weapon sold by the US or that contains a US component is subject to US State department approval on re-sale. It's a standard term in the contract. Plenty of examples exisit, eg IAI Kifr sales were held up to several nations because of the US J79 Engine. Even the A-4 sale was subject to US State department approval, and they were going to the US.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 23, 2006 21:54:30 GMT 12
Do other countries of manufacture do this?
Can we dictate to the Australians for example who buys ex-RAAF Airtrainers, etc?
Seems crazy to me. NZ is not going to sell stuff to volatile nations - unlike the US who sell all they can to countries that end up using the equipment against them or for war or terror.
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Post by Calum on Feb 24, 2006 7:35:42 GMT 12
Not sure actutally. Although there is a story of the French refusing to supply spares to the RAAF if the Mirage was deployed to Vietnam. Not quitet he same thing I realise.
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Post by corsair67 on Feb 24, 2006 20:01:07 GMT 12
That's really bizzare: surely the Yanks aren't that protective over some worn out old M113s?  It's not just an excuse from Helen because she can't really find a buyer for them, is it? The thought of drinking a beer out of a can that was once part of an M113 is quite funny really; except when you think of all the sweaty & dirty Grunts who have ridden around in them over the past 40 years! ;D |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 25, 2006 9:54:49 GMT 12
errgh! Thankfully the M113's are not made of aluminium Craig, so no chance of sweaty beer i hope.
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Post by corsair67 on Feb 25, 2006 19:41:56 GMT 12
Geez, I thought the M113 was aluminium (or as the Americans say "aloominum') hulled. Oh well, you learn something new every day.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 25, 2006 20:20:29 GMT 12
Sorry, I may be completely wrong. I thought they'd be something a little more steel-like. I know little about what tanks and thinks are made of. You're possibly quite correct.
Switching to stubbies...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 25, 2006 20:40:56 GMT 12
Yes, you're right!! Sorry about that. www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m113.htm"M113 is built of aircraft quality aluminum which allows it to possess some of the same strengths as steel at a much lighter weight." Well I never. Do bullets go straight through them then? |
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Post by oj on Feb 25, 2010 22:05:12 GMT 12
Don't be so dismissive, Chaps.
Waikato companies benefited considerably from the M113 overhaul programme in the 1980's.
1. The engines and transmissions were overhauled by Ross-Todd motors in Cambridge.
2. The idler wheels were re-tired by Paramount Recaps in Cambridge.
3. The communications equipment and looming was overhauled by PAC at Hamilton airport (in the former JAL Electrical Section).
4. The "airframe" was completely stripped down and overhauled by the Ministry of Works at Turangi, who also did the complete re-build and test-driving was done by NZ Army drivers on a test track area in the Turangi foothills.
OJ
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 25, 2010 22:57:04 GMT 12
This is a very old thread dredged back up, but it's interesting to see Ross Todd Motors and Paramount Recaps worked on the M113's. Both companies are now as gone as the APC's, both bought out and renamed by chain companies.
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Apr 19, 2010 21:41:52 GMT 12
i have only just seen this thread but have the M113's been sold??
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Post by nige on Apr 19, 2010 22:17:31 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 20, 2010 21:31:16 GMT 12
Some were retained for historical purposes. Waiouru Museum has at least a couple in working condition and they have loaned some to museums including MOTAT and Classic Flyers
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Post by Parrotfish on Apr 20, 2010 22:20:27 GMT 12
Well I never. Do bullets go straight through them then? Yep! Well larger rounds like .5 anyway. That's why they used to get that extra fancy armour added whenever then were deployed. Also Dad told me during the Vietnam War they used to travel on top of the Oz M113s due to the lack of protection from mines. |
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