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Post by Chris F on Jun 27, 2011 12:46:34 GMT 12
I knew what you were saying...the way I read it is NZ want to operate what Australia does in this role. The RAAF Project Air 5428 the replacement for the PC-9 is I beleive delayed,but Raytheon are strong contenders with the T-6 II and Raytheon has a very strong hold in the RAAF training systems already.
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Post by yogi on Jun 27, 2011 16:12:12 GMT 12
Kiwiscanfly if you read Wayne Mapps comments to Aviation week about factors working against the CN-235 is that Defence Partner Australia does not operate them. It would be a strong bet that what ever Australia buys as and advanced trainer New Zealand will tag onto. Time will tell. If the last 10 years are anything to go by I doubt australias aquisitions would influence us in any way, I dont see us getting f-16s to complement the australian force of hornets, or really do anything worth mentioning to contribute towards australasian defence. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if we just totally disregarded australias purchases and policies like we have been and get some random cheap obscure crap just to make a point of difference and show we are 'independent'
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Post by Naki on Jun 27, 2011 17:12:21 GMT 12
Random cheap crap? ...what is random and cheap in RNZAF service now, other than been old? Certainly weren't cheap and crappy when bought. The Seasprites maybe - but they were bought partly because what the Aussies were suppose to be buying.
We are getting NH-90s as per the Aussies (pretty sure that was a major influence) and in past Skyhawks (RAN), Orions, Hercules, Iroquois etc etc, although I am unsure whether any of those purchases were influenced by what the Aussies got.
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Post by yogi on Jun 28, 2011 16:13:45 GMT 12
i'm just bitter and twisted naki dont take me seriously You must admit though we have been going a wee bit against the grain in with relation to australia and its defence policies lately. Yes we are getting the nh90s which is great, I dont think we are getting enough of them, I guess they are hoping the a109 will fill the gaps or whatever.. but what is happening to the service elsewheres is just, well, terrible really. If 'we' really cared what the australians thought about defence we would be getting twice as many nh-90s and some hawks as a lead in to reestablishing a strike squadron. I feel what we are actually doing is simply aquiring the minimum amount of gear we need to keep the f bit of rnzaf.
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Post by Chris F on Jun 28, 2011 16:43:20 GMT 12
Yogi....we understand....but if you watch telly you will see nz/Aust relations at the highest levels are very cosy and behind the scenes there will be alot going on to improve and strenghten our Defense relationship and commanality.
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Post by luke6745 on Jun 28, 2011 17:04:12 GMT 12
My question is - Which party has the best defence policy?
It's certainly not Labour nor is it National. The only real option is NZ First who's policy states that they would increase defence spending to 2% GDP and bring back the ACF.
(Sorry if that's too political, I thought it might be relevant to the discussion).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 28, 2011 21:22:32 GMT 12
It is relevant Luke so ok to bring up, but hell, them increasing the Defence budget like that is as likely as them becoming a majority government. Winston is a has been, and always has been.
The idea of getting more NH-90's is a lovely one too, but I doubt they will have the budget to fly the handful they are getting much anyway. Two big jet engines and lots more weight, they must cost about three times to amount to fly an Iroquois I reckon. Not to mention getting parts, I'm sure there's going to be a big jump in costs there.
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Post by Chris F on Jun 29, 2011 9:31:31 GMT 12
I wonder Dave if they are not more economical with more advanced engines and newer technology.
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Post by mumbles on Jun 29, 2011 9:52:10 GMT 12
get some random cheap obscure crap just to make a point of difference and show we are 'independent' Can't help but get the feeling in recent years that 'Not Invented Here' syndrome is becoming apparent in NZ Govt, not just in Defence matters but in others where what look like good ideas from overseas aren't adopted because we have to come up with our own solution 'for the unique NZ environment' or some other doublespeak.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jun 29, 2011 10:06:30 GMT 12
I wonder Dave if they are not more economical with more advanced engines and newer technology. I have heard the hourly operating costs for the NH-90s are four times an Iroquious. Hardly surprising given the different capability and size.
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Post by Chris F on Jun 29, 2011 10:41:57 GMT 12
WOW...thanks Don...no wonder they want to increase the A109 fleet...if the three extra ones are in fact happening.
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Post by guest on Jun 29, 2011 12:54:47 GMT 12
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Post by Ykato on Jun 30, 2011 9:32:16 GMT 12
Kiwiscanfly if you read Wayne Mapps comments to Aviation week about factors working against the CN-235 is that Defence Partner Australia does not operate them. It would be a strong bet that what ever Australia buys as and advanced trainer New Zealand will tag onto. Time will tell. Disasters Rattle New Zealand Defense Budget For multi-engine training, New Zealand has been using leased Beechcraft B200s, small civil aircraft that do not have the capabilities of military trainers, Mapp says. The defense ministry may order 3-5 Beechcraft King Air 350ERs to replace the B200s, though Mapp stresses that no final decision has been made. New Zealand wants to use the new twin-engine trainer for other tasks as well, he says, such as navigation training, VIP transport and light maritime surveillance. “A number of nations use King Air 350s for a range of roles,” he notes. It would be more cost-effective for New Zealand to use its multi-engine trainers rather than larger aircraft such as the CN-235 for maritime surveillance. Mapp also says another factor working against the CN-235 is that New Zealand defense partner Australia has no CN-235s. The defense ministry would like to sign a formal agreement with Australia that would guarantee the Royal New Zealand Air Force a set number of hours each year on one of the Royal Australian Air Force’s C-17s, says Mapp. www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/awst/2011/06/27/AW_06_27_2011_p54-333680.xml&headline=Disasters
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Post by Naki on Jul 18, 2011 15:17:22 GMT 12
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Post by area51 on May 30, 2012 13:28:39 GMT 12
A "new" King Air 200 arrived in the country yesterday from the USA and industry contacts believe it is the first of six for the RNZAF on lease to replace the current fleet. Anyone confirm/deny?
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Post by ngatimozart on May 30, 2012 14:31:31 GMT 12
The lease of the current King Airs has been extended, until they decide on MEPT and EEZ MPA. Rumour has it that the inside running for this is the King Air 350 ER (I) MPA as per Wayne Mapps comments above. That extension took place IIRC late last year.
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Post by area51 on May 30, 2012 14:50:44 GMT 12
Interesting indeed. Watch this space I suggest. Perhaps the use of the King Air 200 series has been extended but newer airframes will extend the process through a new lease company.
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Post by ngatimozart on May 30, 2012 14:55:07 GMT 12
Interesting indeed. Watch this space I suggest. Perhaps the use of the King Air 200 series has been extended but newer airframes will extend the process through a new lease company. Yes indeed but the impression I got is that when they decided on the MEPT / EEZ MPA it will be a purchase rather than a lease. The NZG i.e., PM & Cabinet fully undertsand that the B200 is not giving them the capabilities that are needed hence only an extension of the lease. So maybe I wouldn't read anything into a New B200 arriving in the country at all.
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Post by area51 on May 30, 2012 18:47:24 GMT 12
Hear what you're saying, but it is understood the "new" machine, now at Hawker Pacific's Ardmore setup, is destined for the RNZAF along with 5 others under a new contract.
No doubt the next few weeks will conclude who/what it is for.
Thanks for the dialogue.
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Post by beagle on May 30, 2012 19:55:54 GMT 12
If it comes out of their building like this, we will know for sure.
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