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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2017 13:22:32 GMT 12
Trashed? How old can they be? I mean we know a Hercules easily lasts past 50 years and the C-130J's are not half that old. The RAF's oldest examples are 17 years old.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 10, 2017 13:45:21 GMT 12
Trashed? How old can they be? I mean we know a Hercules easily lasts past 50 years and the C-130J's are not half that old. The RAF's oldest examples are 17 years old. They were worked harder than ours have been, supporting Iraq/Afghanistan. 17 to 21 years old (for the stretched ones) according to this, and getting centre wing box replaced on those they are keeping. Which means mid-life stuff is due, and reflected in the price.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 10, 2017 14:53:55 GMT 12
I personally think New Zealand should look at new aircraft, not second hand, whatever they pick.
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Post by snafu on Nov 10, 2017 15:47:28 GMT 12
I think you will find Ocean has stern and side doors and she carries some small landing craft launched by davits. Effectively just a larger version of HMNZS Canterbury with a "through deck". She was designed as a LPD version of the Invincible carrying assault helos only. Shame Albion and Bulwark are not available but with the current UK PM May who knows, they "may" become available too! On the surface if Hm ships Albion and Bulwark were to become available id still not want for NZ to take up the offer, whilst they offer more comprehensive command & control with the ability to move a battalion and their heavy equipment ashore, but the limiting factor is the ability for organic rotary support, you still need a platform for which for armed overwatch and troop insertion. Something like HNLMS Johan de Witt (L801) would be more appropriate
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Post by exkiwiforces on Nov 10, 2017 15:58:15 GMT 12
Trashed? How old can they be? I mean we know a Hercules easily lasts past 50 years and the C-130J's are not half that old. The RAF's oldest examples are 17 years old. They were worked harder than ours have been, supporting Iraq/Afghanistan. 17 to 21 years old (for the stretched ones) according to this, and getting centre wing box replaced on those they are keeping. Which means mid-life stuff is due, and reflected in the price. Dave, Errol is right about this and believe me I've seen a few RAF J Models come through our main base in the MER looking like they have been to hell and back. To point they have had use our facilities for quick repairs due to battle damage etc IOT fly back to St Athan (wherever the RAF do deep level service for their J models) to get a major repair/ overhaul done or they have come in to do the next level service (whatever term is) instead of flying the J models back to the UK IOT get back on ops quickly.
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Post by foxcover on Nov 11, 2017 11:17:00 GMT 12
They were worked harder than ours have been, supporting Iraq/Afghanistan. 17 to 21 years old (for the stretched ones) according to this, and getting centre wing box replaced on those they are keeping. Which means mid-life stuff is due, and reflected in the price. Dave, Errol is right about this and believe me I've seen a few RAF J Models come through our main base in the MER looking like they have been to hell and back. To point they have had use our facilities for quick repairs due to battle damage etc IOT fly back to St Athan (wherever the RAF do deep level service for their J models) to get a major repair/ overhaul done or they have come in to do the next level service (whatever term is) instead of flying the J models back to the UK IOT get back on ops quickly. Isn't that the idea? To use them? Maybe the reason the Kiwi Hercules have lasted so long and aren't 'battered' is because you don't actually use them for anything? NH90, not really used. NZLAV, not really used. IPV's, not really used.
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Post by frankly on Nov 11, 2017 18:18:26 GMT 12
Isn't that the idea? To use them? Maybe the reason the Kiwi Hercules have lasted so long and aren't 'battered' is because you don't actually use them for anything? NH90, not really used. NZLAV, not really used. IPV's, not really used. Are you trolling? Flight profiles significantly impact service life. the RAF use their C-130Js almost exclusively as tactical transports, with a large percentage of low-altitude high-speed work and plenty of short field landings. That isn't true for the RNZAF - while short field landings are common in the Pacific, there is a lot of high altitude cruise speed service in their history.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 11, 2017 23:21:42 GMT 12
No. 40 Squadron RNZAF is actually doing tactical transport work in the Middle East too, flying in and out of short, rough strips in the mountains, although most of the armchair experts seem completely oblivious to this. We were given a superb talk all about it by one of the veteran pilots who'd just returned from a tour, at our last WONZ Forum Meet. So along with that, and all the work they do around New Zealand, the Pacific, Antarctic and beyond, saying they are not really used is naive or stupid. And I am sure the members of No. 3 Squadron RNZAF really appreciate their efforts with the NH90 in earthquake relief, search and rescue work, supporting the Army and Navy, community work, and all the other things they do being summed up by Foxcover in that disparaging way.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Nov 12, 2017 7:39:56 GMT 12
And NZLAV has just returned from major exercise in Australia where Frankly probably thinks they were 'not really used' along with the NH90 on the same exercise preparing for any occasion the NZ government choses to deploy them in pursuit of government objectives.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 12, 2017 7:50:20 GMT 12
Paul is is Foxcover who things they were "not really used", not Frankly.
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Post by foxcover on Nov 12, 2017 19:56:11 GMT 12
How many ships and aircraft were used in Kaikoura? How many army vehicles? All good and well sending them to the Middle East and Australia...
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Post by pepe on Nov 13, 2017 8:59:11 GMT 12
How many ships and aircraft were used in Kaikoura? How many army vehicles? All good and well sending them to the Middle East and Australia... I seem to recall those new MAN trucks were quite useful on the inland Kaikoura road........
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Post by flyinkiwi on Nov 13, 2017 9:26:52 GMT 12
How many ships and aircraft were used in Kaikoura? How many army vehicles? All good and well sending them to the Middle East and Australia... Quite a few actually...
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Post by kiwirico on Nov 17, 2017 23:59:58 GMT 12
The new Defence Minister's thoughts on the last government's Defence capability plans are interesting. Ron Mark - "What Culverden tells us about missing defence priorities" (Nov 2016) - medium and light airlifters capable of short take-off and landing - eg: C27 Spartans - one-for-one replacement for the Hercules - so perhaps something less than an A400M - eg: C130J or KC390 - Getting rid of the 757s altogether So... the transport fleet will be a mix of medium/light airlifters and more or less heavy ones. Could be a deal for airbus to provide both products in a special price deal to NZ🤔. A-400M and C-295.
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Post by foxcover on Nov 18, 2017 11:05:18 GMT 12
The new Defence Minister's thoughts on the last government's Defence capability plans are interesting. Ron Mark - "What Culverden tells us about missing defence priorities" (Nov 2016) - medium and light airlifters capable of short take-off and landing - eg: C27 Spartans - one-for-one replacement for the Hercules - so perhaps something less than an A400M - eg: C130J or KC390 - Getting rid of the 757s altogether So... the transport fleet will be a mix of medium/light airlifters and more or less heavy ones. Could be a deal for airbus to provide both products in a special price deal to NZ🤔. A-400M and C-295. 3 A400M and 3 C295W to replace Hercs and Beechcraft would be good, with a couple of Global 6000’s for vip.
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Post by beagle on Nov 23, 2017 18:17:30 GMT 12
That's what started me off in this thread. Airbus would be probably be offering A400 in conjunction with C295W and C235. A400 for strategic and big tactical, C295 for light to medium tactical, and C235 to replace King Airs in twin training / NAV AEOP close in maritime. Maybe even a A330 or A321 for vip, pax.
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Post by beagle on Nov 23, 2017 18:18:39 GMT 12
Oh, has anyone got intell on when C2 arrives and where. supposed to be Friday or Saturday ?
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 23, 2017 18:31:00 GMT 12
You know, I actually have plane tickets to Wellington on Saturday. I doubt it will be there by then, however.
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Post by sputnik767 on Nov 23, 2017 18:46:57 GMT 12
It needs to come into Whenuapai, from an easterly direction from after midday with a enough of a warning to get my camera out. Have seen the A400, Globemasters, Aussie C 130J, the KC-390 and the Japanese P 1 flying in, suddenly feeling like I need this for the complete collection.... Pity I haven't seen a P8 and the Wedgetails seem to go in in the dark....Who can I talk to about that???
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Post by beagle on Nov 23, 2017 19:46:22 GMT 12
CAS RAAF, send him an email
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