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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 21:04:31 GMT 12
hey guys, stubbled across this picture on the net, can you please tell me what scheme was from what years, i have never seen the two grey ones before, but they were before the Kahu upgrade i think, as the tails are not squared off. Were they just after we received them, as the Americans had a similar grey colour scheme, so did we just keep it the same for a little while until they needed a repaint? I quite like the plain grey one ;D Cheers Attachments:
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 1, 2011 22:27:39 GMT 12
They are TA-4G models purchased from the RAN, in 1984. The markings were changed but they served a short while in the Royal Australian Navy colour scheme till they could all get a trun to go through the paint shop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 10:01:19 GMT 12
Oh yeah, forgot that we got them from the Aussie's, sorry about that. Do you know what scheme is from what years?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Dec 2, 2011 11:52:01 GMT 12
The USN grey/white scheme was what all RAN Skyhawks wore up until about 1980 when they started painting them in the two-tone grey wrap-around camo colours. NZ6256 was still in the original grey scheme when we got it in July 1984.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 14:24:34 GMT 12
Thanks Don  I knew someone would be able to tell me. So i wasn't to far off? not bad for someone who wasn't even born back then ;D , i guess. What was going to be the likely scheme for the F-16's, anyone know? Cheers |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 2, 2011 15:15:30 GMT 12
Just plain grey like the US scheme for the F-16's.
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Post by mumbles on Dec 2, 2011 15:27:51 GMT 12
Oh yeah, forgot that we got them from the Aussie's, sorry about that. Do you know what scheme is from what years? Further to what Don said.. Front to back: Brown/greens: Essentially the delivery scheme for the RNZAF in 1970 with a few detail changes. Retained up until the mid-80's as aircraft were repainted into the lo-vis lizard/euro-1 scheme. Grey/grey: RAN tactical wraparound scheme 1980-1984. I think some were still wearing it up until 1987 or so. My understanding is they were repainted when converted from G to K spec prior to the Kahu upgrade. Note it is wearing RNZAF camouflaged drop tanks. Grey/white: RAN delivery scheme from 1967. Note the drop tanks are camouflaged in the greys scheme, and in another pic it looks like the aircraft has been fitted with lizard schemed ailerons. Grey/greens: Lo-vis lizard scheme late 1984-1997 or so. The grey/grey aircraft is the only one with 75Sqn markings, the other three are wearing the 2Sqn insignia. As the F-16's had already been built we would have got them in the Pakistani Air Force scheme of two tone grey by all accounts. Since everything else in the RNZAF has gone single tone grey these days I expect the F-16's would have by now had we got them. |
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Post by mumbles on Dec 2, 2011 15:32:59 GMT 12
Just plain grey like the US scheme for the F-16's. 3 tones of grey in the US scheme Dave I've got two speculative RNZAF F-16B's on my workbench at the moment. One will be all over ocean grey in a speculative 'modern' scheme like the Orions and Hercs, the other will be in the lizard scheme based on a hypothetical replacement of the Skyhawks in the 1980's instead of upgrading them... |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 2, 2011 17:14:27 GMT 12
I meant plain as in dull and boring, not the cool Euro 1 scheme of the Skyhawks past.
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Post by E.T. on Dec 3, 2011 16:56:48 GMT 12
Hmmm, '56 was all grey immediately prior to being painted in the "Benson & Hedges" gold scheme for the RNZAF 50th Anniversary. I hesitate to say something different than the learned Mr Simms, but I believe it was repainted from the blue/grey scheme by us. I was told it was "a mistake" of paint colour meant to be a trial of a low-vis sea-cam scheme but I never really believed that story, although it could have been. From memory the paint was more gloss than matt - I assume matt might have been intended for a sea-cam scheme. Prior to the Gold scheme she wore for the Anniversary, she wore the pictures grey with the "pinstripes" painted on to see how they would look in full size before painting on the expensive gold paint. I've got some low quality pics of her in that scheme somewhere if anyone is interested. In the shot above (incidentally I always preferred the vertical version of this shot), she is wearing "blue/grey" schemed drop tanks and the rudder I think is white purely because (as I was told) they didn't want to waste any more of the grey paint on this "mistake".
The scheme you refer to as the RAN "grey/grey" we called "blue/grey" - it was indeed the sea-cam scheme of the RAN birds and with only a few exceptions remained on until the Kahu conversion.
Don - be gentle with me!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 3, 2011 23:09:02 GMT 12
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Post by E.T. on Dec 4, 2011 13:41:09 GMT 12
Nice Dave - thanks for that. Yes, some like that but also some from day to day in the hangar etc. And I am obviously wrong about '56 arriving in two-tone blue/grey scheme. It's a amazing what you remember and what you forget. From Glen's story I remember not only the booties, the ground crew for the "reveal" flight and the first few afterwards wore the white paper overalls that we wore for LOXing. Partly to protect the new paint and mostly for looks. I remember most of the guys shied away from the limelight of the reveal crew but were more than happy to do the ones when the camera's weren't watching! Happy days! |
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Post by kiwiduster on Dec 4, 2011 15:39:10 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 4, 2011 20:58:22 GMT 12
Nice work, I like that.
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Post by mumbles on Dec 5, 2011 19:59:01 GMT 12
Nice work  I like that someone has taken on the half and half scheme, and done it well. I've got two fujimi 72's on the bench at the moment, one will be '56 as in the formation above (as you did it but minus the stripes), and the other will be an RNZAF G in the RAN blue/grey camouflage. The other two look good as well, which kits are they? Got my inspiration from Mumbles 3 build article. Choice!  And thankyou |
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Post by mumbles on Dec 5, 2011 20:09:39 GMT 12
P.S, if you want the images to show in the post automatically, either copy the IMG link from photobucket, or add IMG tags when posting (IMG in square brackets [] at front of link, and with backslash [/] at end of link Also I have a spare set of 75 markings and codes (NZ6210 or N6205), pm me your address and we can sort out getting them to you. |
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Post by kiwiduster on Dec 6, 2011 9:17:27 GMT 12
Many thanks for the good words Dave and Mumbles .I gave away modelling about 10 years ago and since have been collecting dicast etc from the web. I bought the Hoby Master 1/72 Hawk (in pic 3) and about the same time read Mumbles 3 build. That idea impressed me so much i hunted out the compresser and the rest of the gear.Back to the web and hunted down 7 Fujumi 1/72 kits.This is a brilliant kit which give plenty of options.Some of you say the slat runners break easily but to me the tail hook is dynamite; already broken 3 so will now make them out of ali; welding rod!
I did the Whitehawk first really to brush up my skills and now after the half@half i'm finally away. Two on the go at the moment,the Gold T Bird,and hopefully the SEA humpback.
Sorry about the pic sizeing,was my first attempt!! Dave i wonder if this should be in the modelling section. Over to you!!
Cheers
PS Mumbles i will send PM tonite!!
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Post by Calum on Dec 6, 2011 13:39:18 GMT 12
Nice
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Post by horicle on Dec 27, 2011 20:02:51 GMT 12
In the picture that kicks this thread off you can see the Gloss Grey T Bird (#2) has matte green ailerons. I recall they were fitted because the aircraft was so damn hard to formate on. I do not recall the white rudder though.
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Post by chasper on Jan 9, 2012 15:18:15 GMT 12
If anyone has seen the Top Gun spoof movie 'Hotshots', there is a scene where Lloyd Bridges is in his office and behind his desk on the wall is this photo of the RNZAF Skyhawks in their various colour schemes. I understand that they were not allowed to show any real us navy images in the film.
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I knew someone would be able to tell me. So i wasn't to far off? not bad for someone who wasn't even born back then ;D , i guess. What was going to be the likely scheme for the F-16's, anyone know?
And thankyou 
