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Post by ErrolC on Nov 15, 2016 21:35:19 GMT 12
@nzdefenceforce: WATCH || Update from HMNZS Canterbury due to arrive in Kaikoura tomorrow morning with HMNZS Wellington and underwater survey team ⚓️ pic.twitter.com/mXbZKYStWI
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 16, 2016 6:53:00 GMT 12
Just a pity that the RAAF does not have more C.27s available as they would be ideal for Kaikoura...... its why we are buying them.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 16, 2016 7:04:57 GMT 12
Generally the French send a C-235 for exercises, but for this Navy one they sent a Falcon FA20 jet.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 16, 2016 7:09:27 GMT 12
Morning Update 16 NovAn Air Force C-130 Hercules will be bringing a generator and a water desalination system from Auckland to Kaikoura this morning, which will bring welcome relief to those still stranded in the quake-devastated area. The Hercules will also airdrop about 5000 litres of water to the town’s residents in the afternoon. Four NH90 helicopters have delivered more aid supplies including food, water and hygiene products, and jerrycans of diesel. International partners are also playing a vital part in the relief effort, with warships from Australia, Canada and the United States sailing overnight to the South Island’s east coast. New Zealand Army soldiers from Burnham Military Camp will today join an Urban Search and Rescue team from the New Zealand Fire Service to assess the damage. So far we have mobilised hundreds of personnel, at least nine aircraft and four vessels to support the Government’s earthquake response. More soon.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 8:09:03 GMT 12
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Post by ZacYates on Nov 16, 2016 8:15:43 GMT 12
I'm with Dave - I don't think anyone's suggesting a permanent Wellington-Lyttelton service, only one to get things up and running until the status quo is restored.
Anyhoo. Going by news stories this morning the military support component seems to be: - RNZN: HMNZS Canterbury, Te Kaha and Wellington - RNZAF: x4 NH90, x1(?) P-3 - USN: destroyer USS Sampson w/2 MH-60s; P-3 Orion from VP47 in Hawaii - RAN: guided missile frigate HMAS Darwin w/Seahawk - RCN: frigate HMCS Vancouver (Wiki says it hangars a CH-124 sea King) - Malaysia: has offered a helo - Japan and Singapore: "offers of help"
It is just awesome to see all this hardware being offered to help out. Fantastic.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 16, 2016 8:24:39 GMT 12
They have a rail ferry that can't load rail wagons, so that is one possibility. Once they get the rail wagons off it, that is. And if there are facilities to shackle trucks to the rail deck. Given there are only so many trucks and truck drivers in the country, maybe having trailers sitting on a ferry for however many extra hours it is makes sense while there is no rail available.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 8:28:25 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 16, 2016 8:42:42 GMT 12
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Post by ZacYates on Nov 16, 2016 9:57:35 GMT 12
I've started a thread here to share photos and updates on foreign military assets being used. I hope this is okay.
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Post by mumbles on Nov 16, 2016 10:04:33 GMT 12
Ouch!! This will cost telephone number-sized $$$$ to repair! A bit of work for the lads at the South Island Organ Company who maintain the instrument.
from The Dominion Post....
Organ at Wellington Cathedral suffers ‘significant damage’ in quake
“It's a bit of a mess at the moment, to be honest.”
By MARTY SHARPE | 11:45PM - Monday, 14 November 2016
Not sure if it's maintained by the same guys but the pipe organ at St James in Lower Hutt suffered similar damage. One pipe wound up landing exactly on the seat where my daughter sits on Herald duty. That was a hell of a shake, the worst I've experienced in 35+ years of living in Wellington. Here is the Wellington Titan Crane yard during the event: www.facebook.com/titancranesnz/videos/vb.242950812495416/412457295544766/?type=2&theater
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 16, 2016 10:35:27 GMT 12
No doubt John Hargreaves and his team at the South Island Organ Company in Timaru will get a couple of jobs to fix those organs, all paid for by insurance.
They're currently just finishing a major overhaul and restoration of the Wellington Town Hall Organ. Now all they need is for Wellington City Council to pull finger and carry out the earthquake strengthening job on the town hall so they can install the 40-tonne organ back into the venue. It took a team of ten men (six specialist organbuilders and four labourers) 31 days to dismantle and remove the organ, it will take considerably longer to put it back in there and get it all up and running. A pipe organ of that size is an incredibly complex piece of machinery with many thousands of moving parts, as well as being a musical instrument.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 11:35:48 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 16, 2016 11:39:02 GMT 12
John Key isn't an engineer.
You can fix anything if you throw enough money and engineering resources at it.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 16, 2016 12:25:30 GMT 12
Sure. There comes a point where taking a different route for a section is cheaper and faster.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 17:17:34 GMT 12
I'm with Dave - I don't think anyone's suggesting a permanent Wellington-Lyttelton service, only one to get things up and running until the status quo is restored. Anyhoo. Going by news stories this morning the military support component seems to be: - RNZN: HMNZS Canterbury, Te Kaha and Wellington - RNZAF: x4 NH90, x1(?) P-3 - USN: destroyer USS Sampson w/2 MH-60s; P-3 Orion from VP47 in Hawaii - RAN: guided missile frigate HMAS Darwin w/Seahawk - RCN: frigate HMCS Vancouver (Wiki says it hangars a CH-124 sea King) - Malaysia: has offered a helo - Japan and Singapore: "offers of help" It is just awesome to see all this hardware being offered to help out. Fantastic. HMNZS Endeavour is down there too Zac
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 17:26:58 GMT 12
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 16, 2016 17:46:30 GMT 12
The interesting thing is that the USGS has been calling it a magnitude 7.8 right from the beginning. Such as on the poster they made available from their website on Monday, from HERE. Whereas it has taken GeoNet 2½ days to decide the earthquake was a 7.8, which makes it equal in intensity to the 1931 Hawke's Bay Earthquake and the 2009 Dusky Sound quake.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2016 18:53:19 GMT 12
The Daily Mirror also called it 7.8 on Monday
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 16, 2016 19:36:34 GMT 12
I have noticed in the past that USGS seem to be able to put an accurate magnitude figure on our earthquakes in NZ much quicker than GeoNet can.
I often wonder if it is because GeoNet's measuring instruments are too close to the action, whereas USGS are taking a longer-range view and therefore aren't picking up all the other minor seismic activity in the local area.
I'm not dissing GeoNet or anything like that, but just wondering. At a couple of geological forums I frequent (with people from all over the world posting there), they have been discussing exactly the same thing and have similar conclusions.
And on the subject of re-routing SH1, while it would be possible to shift the highway to the inland Kaikoura route south of Kaikoura, north of Kaikoura to Clarence, there is virtually nowhere else for the highway to go except along the coast. Unless of course it was considered acceptable to completely bypass Kaikoura altogether and go well inland, but even in there, the terrain is very steep and possibly very unstable. Plus, bypassing Kaikoura would kill the town and cost the country a lot of tourist dollars. There are obviously very good practical reasons why the original surveyors decided the coastal route was the best one for SH1 and the railway line.
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