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Post by Damon on Oct 16, 2022 19:12:32 GMT 12
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Post by shorty on Oct 16, 2022 20:39:03 GMT 12
Isn't there some historic/heritage legislation to prevent this? I seem to recall it being discussed somewhere on this forum. Given the ongoing court case is it clear who actually owns it?
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Post by retiredav8r on Oct 16, 2022 21:23:34 GMT 12
The aircraft is owned by 'Old stick and rudder limited, which is currently under the assigned liquidator. I wonder who is putting it up for sale?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 16, 2022 23:55:50 GMT 12
Isn't there some historic/heritage legislation to prevent this? It has been previously posted on the forum that it is subject to the Protected Objects Act. mch.govt.nz/nz-identity-heritage/protected-objects/exportingThis is by no means a guarantee that it cannot be exported, often in such cases if it is proven that no-one in NZ can afford or wants the object then the Ministry of Heritage can apparently allow it to go to an overseas buyer. This may or may not be the case here, I am speaking in general terms only, with the Act. Nothing is guaranteed with heritage protection, which is why we have seen Grade I Listed Buildings knocked down to make way for developers.... money usually wins when enough is applied. The decision is made by the Chief Executive of the Ministry for Culture and Heritage, who currently seems to be someone called Laulu Mac Leauanae. The minister is Carmel Sepuloni. She has two Associate Ministers, Jacinda Ardern and Kiri Allan. Surely logic must tell you that the fact it's listed for sale indicates that the legal dispute has finally been settled, I would have thought. I mean no-one would list it if they were still awaiting confirmation from court proceedings that they owned it.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 17, 2022 7:02:13 GMT 12
The aircraft is owned by 'Old stick and rudder limited, which is currently under the assigned liquidator. I wonder who is putting it up for sale? 'Owned' according to NZ CAA isn't a straightforward concept, but clearly the sale is happening with the approval of (if not actually by) the liquidator.
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Post by delticman on Oct 17, 2022 7:22:10 GMT 12
The aircraft is owned by 'Old stick and rudder limited, which is currently under the assigned liquidator. I wonder who is putting it up for sale? 'Owned' according to NZ CAA isn't a straightforward concept, but clearly the sale is happening with the approval of (if not actually by) the liquidator. The aircraft shown by the CAA Register is the operator. If you hire an aircraft for more than 28 days and use it the "ownership" has to be changed. As for the Corsair. I'm hoping that the aircraft is offered for sale as part of the liquidation process. The aircraft may not go to the highest bidder and I'm further hoping that a New Zealand Syndicate has made a reasonable offer. That may sway the liquidators to look seriously at that offer. Just a thought.
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Oct 17, 2022 9:59:20 GMT 12
Yes, who the aircraft is shown as registered to on the CAA website is very often not the actual owner from a financial perspective. Good example being aero club aircraft, Auckland Aero Club has about 10 aircraft listed to them but only actually own about half of them with the others being private owners that lease them to the club. Also the reason some aircraft seem to change 'owners' back and forth in very short periods of time!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 17, 2022 10:42:25 GMT 12
The ownership of the aircraft seems fairly clear looking at the contact person for the sale on Aviation Trader, if you know who one of the WingNut and Weta bosses is.
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Post by shorty on Oct 17, 2022 12:10:53 GMT 12
And we are assuming that the liquidators are fully familiar with the relevant legislation, it maybe that this is the first time they have had to deal with a situation like this
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Post by gibbo on Oct 17, 2022 14:07:40 GMT 12
Is this an ex-RNZAF aircraft from WW2?
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Post by skyhawkdon on Oct 17, 2022 14:29:30 GMT 12
Is this an ex-RNZAF aircraft from WW2? Yes
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Post by ZacYates on Oct 17, 2022 15:07:31 GMT 12
Hopefully an NZ buyer is found. If not, we were very fortunate to have this aircraft display here for 13yr.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 17, 2022 20:13:41 GMT 12
Is this an ex-RNZAF aircraft from WW2? Yes Technically, just. It was Brought On Charge at the Corsair Assembly Unit at RNZAF Los Negros on the 17th of August 1945. The surrender by Japan was announced two days before then, and the official signing of the surrender was the 2nd of September 1945, 16 days after it was BOC. It did not reach a Servicing Unit to see squadron service, it simply got ferried to New Zealand in September or early October 1945 and straight into No. 1 Aircraft Storage Unit at RNZAF Station Rukuhia.
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Post by planecrazy on Oct 18, 2022 8:00:16 GMT 12
Hopefully an NZ buyer is found. If not, we were very fortunate to have this aircraft display here for 13yr. Well said Zac, hope both the Corsair and Kittyhawk stay in NZ and they both get RNZAF markings, all well in good to have such a dream but money is the reality of the situation. Is there any story on the ex Stick and Rudder P40?
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Post by gibbo on Oct 18, 2022 15:52:40 GMT 12
Is this an ex-RNZAF aircraft from WW2? Yes Hell then yes this definitely must stay in NZ... altho to be honest I have no faith in any official body having the forethought, or balls, to enforce that. I guess seeing as it was overseas for much of the last century it will be hard to argue it should now remain here... Hello Mr Brendon Deere, got any spare change burning a hole in your pocket?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 18, 2022 16:00:54 GMT 12
Can people STOP making posts suggesting that Brendon Deere should buy this aircraft, here!
The poor man has been singled out and tagged infinitum on Facebook in the many posts about the sale, and he must be utterly sick of it. I have already removed some similar posts here. It is really not fair on him to put such pressure on the man. It is entirely up to him as to whether he decides to make a bid for this aircraft or not. Your comments do not help the situation one bit. It's not funny nor is it clever.
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Post by tbf2504 on Oct 19, 2022 10:09:02 GMT 12
Totally agree with you Dave on the comments re Brendon. There are a number of influential persons in the country and those who as a consortium could purchase the aircraft, and ensure its safety in a museum for a long time. The Antiquities Act does have a bearing on this as it is the only example in NZ of a Corsair. However, the current government is busily throwing money at other pet projects, so chances of "buying out the current owners" with taxpayer money is probably slight.
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Post by retiredav8r on Oct 19, 2022 11:10:38 GMT 12
Can people STOP making posts suggesting that Brendon Deere should buy this aircraft, here! The poor man has been singled out and tagged infinitum on Facebook in the many posts about the sale, and he must be utterly sick of it. I have already removed some similar posts here. It is really not fair on him to put such pressure on the man. It is entirely up to him as to whether he decides to make a bid for this aircraft or not. Your comments do not help the situation one bit. It's not funny nor is it clever. This will only stop when you have control over those using the site. Forbid the wacko's that cut and paste everything and load up websites all over the world. 99% of aircraft owners/ repair facilities etc. have good websites that share this information, no need to cut and paste it again. The biggest cult are the clicker snappers and web sites too lazy to source the info. I have even seen high profile people in aviation not attend events based on being asked too many stupid questions. They know exactly what is happening in the industry and don't need the "what if' brigade.
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Post by gibbo on Oct 20, 2022 22:20:57 GMT 12
Oopsie, sorry that was me... meant totally tongue-in-cheek :-( Hadn't seen other posts...
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Post by chook on Nov 8, 2022 11:11:05 GMT 12
I see the tender for offers on ZK-COR ended last Sunday, I wonder if they had any offers.
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