|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 2, 2009 17:34:13 GMT 12
www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Aircraft/Other/auction-189347302.htmI have noticed this Harvard on TradeMe which has been there quite a while. Any one any ideas what it would be worth? I've asked about the centre-section and wings since they aren't mentioned. Tempting for the right price...........and a piece of RNZAF history being one of the three Canadian built MK2B Harvards actually purchased by the NZ Government (due to problems getting further Harvards via USA and lend-lease). AND being the first one (NZ1100) AND the other two are still around too! Baz(Part-time dreamer)
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 4, 2009 8:23:20 GMT 12
Really? Noone can hazard a guess? $10K would be mine. Anyone else?
|
|
|
|
Post by yak2 on Jan 4, 2009 8:49:43 GMT 12
Difficult to put a value on something like this. One method is to use the market value of a flying aircraft, and subtract the cost of the bits/sub-contracted work required to get this one flying, plus 30%. If it is only of historical interest, and does not require restoration to flying condition, whatever you can get it for. The fact that this one has been for sale so long means that there is possibly better value around. If you are prepared to pay $10K, make an offer of $8K and see what happens.
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 4, 2009 10:50:44 GMT 12
Thanks yak52. Its a starting point.
|
|
|
|
Post by agalbraith on Jan 4, 2009 11:39:16 GMT 12
I seem to remember hearing that they wanted in the vicinity of 40k?? Could be wrong though, but it does seem steep if that is true.
Go on Baz............you know you want too!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 4, 2009 12:23:14 GMT 12
But it has a significant history as a very famous slide!
|
|
|
|
Post by flyjoe180 on Jan 4, 2009 12:41:32 GMT 12
There would be worse things to spend your money on.
|
|
|
|
Post by corsair67 on Jan 4, 2009 12:49:22 GMT 12
There would be worse things to spend your money on. Dinner with Paris(ite) Hilton! ;D |
|
|
|
Post by flyjoe180 on Jan 4, 2009 13:02:08 GMT 12
Or an autographed Milli Vanilli album.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 4, 2009 13:07:01 GMT 12
That Milli Vanilli album would be worth a fortune now, especially as the lead non-singer is dead.
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 4, 2009 13:59:59 GMT 12
Woah 40K?? I suppose it sounds a lot when you haven't got it! And I haven't  Hmm 5 people and $8K. That would work........! |
|
|
|
Post by fletcherfu24 on Jan 4, 2009 14:16:58 GMT 12
Whats a flyer worth though,US examples appear to be going for around $350K.
|
|
|
|
Post by Barnsey on Jan 11, 2009 0:31:08 GMT 12
Baz
Would you mind sharing the reply from the seller about the state of this project? I too have thought about this....
in fact, I'd just spent 10 minutes reading the Harvard Question thread trying to find out more about the MkIIb, before finding this....
Cheers
Barnsey
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 11, 2009 9:37:14 GMT 12
Hi Barnsey
Basically he confirmed for me that the Harvard is basically a compete fuselage only from the firewall rearwards and there are no wings or wing centresection. It would be a nice start but you would have to do some serious searching for the parts required. He says the parts are available in the US.
Basically the MK2B Harvards are the same as our 2a and 3 with some differences in Cockpit layout and electrical systems as they were built to British specifications. In fact they may have more in common with the earlier Mk2 Harvards we also operated.
So are you a Harvard fan too?
|
|
|
|
Post by Barnsey on Jan 12, 2009 23:51:48 GMT 12
Yep, I'm a Harvard fan!! I'd like to invest* in an aircraft that has a connection with the RNZAF, and I think a Harvard would be the easiest* way to do it. What's not to like about a big radial powered tail-dragger - except for the purchase price, the fuel cost and the expense of maintenance?
As well as needing to spend a few dollars in getting the fuselage condition and past restoration attempt assessed by a knowlegeable person/organisation (Avspecs?), I'd imagine that one would be looking at a lot of $$ outlay in getting NZ1100 back in the air? (a rhetorical question!!). But it sure would be nice.....
*terms used with tongue firmly in cheek!
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 13, 2009 14:24:29 GMT 12
I went onto the US Warbird Information Exchange website and had a chat with a couple of guys on there, one of who is doing a rare ex US Navy SNJ which still has its tailhook. (I learned that the hooked SNJs were modified by the US Navy and not North American.)
Basically it isn't hard to get a set of wings and a centre section as a lot of T6/SNJ airframes have been broken down for parts to make more money(!).
One chap said you would be looking at around US$30-40000(wings,center section with fuel tanks and landing gear)plus around US$8000 for an engine core which isn't bad but of course they wouldn't be ready to fly but ready to restore! Oh and US$10-15000 for a good used prop, more with new blades which are available.
Then of course you would need to get it all here say all up $65-$70000 all up? Then you need the space to work on here and the money to rebuild it all. (God this is depressing ha ha I need lotto!!) But at least you can get the parts.
Plus you would have an unknown in matching the Canadian built fuse and the US built wing and center section. I'd would say there wouldn't be a major difference like there is with the Aussie Wirraway. But would pay to research it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 13, 2009 15:55:04 GMT 12
A lot of the Tora, Tora, Tora Zeros were made from Canadian built Harvards, including the one Sir Tim had. Maybe you could put Zero wings on it if the US Texans don't fit?
|
|
|
|
Post by timmo on Jan 14, 2009 8:31:27 GMT 12
Do it! haha...Ill help you pay for....erm....the oil? I maybe able to stretch myself and pay for a few rivets too?
Alternatively I can stand where the centre section should be and flap my wings while you sit in the cockpit making engine noises?
|
|
|
|
Post by harvard1041 on Jan 14, 2009 10:38:37 GMT 12
Hi Guys
Have seen this Project a couple of times...and it would be a challenge...not impossible however. Hvd 2Bs are a rarity in NZ - that's why the RNZAF didn't put them into Serivce either.....
Honestly the money is not the biggest hurdle - it is the time to work on it - and the workshop etc etc ...this is coming from a guy who has been involved in building 3 of them.
For the money however - there are better Projects IMHO...have a look on barnstormers.com - some real bargains come up - and a container from the US isn't the end of the world.
Having said that - if you got it at a good price - and then got the bones of another Canadian one - you have a good start...but it is the time you have to put into it that is the big hurdle.
...but Harvards really haven't gone up much in value over the last 10-15 years...you can still get a flyer in the US for about $150. It's not the money.
Rgds
Hvd1041
|
|
|
|
Post by baz62 on Jan 14, 2009 15:04:48 GMT 12
Yes I agree with you harvard1041. If I really really wanted to I could find the money but having experienced rebuilding a Harvard I know what can be involved and how long it can take. Barnstormer eh? Might have to have a look! (Got to love my wife, she says if it's financally possible I should do it or something similar! Hope she doesn't regret those words!!)
I'm not sure where you are harvard1041 but if you need an extra pair of willing hands on your project just say the word! ;D
|
|
Hmm 5 people and $8K. That would work........! 
