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Post by baz62 on Mar 15, 2009 13:10:07 GMT 12
Well alrighty then time for some more photos. I forgot to upload this picture taken at the 1981 Wings and Wheels. In this shot are Alex Warriner in the white coat and in the group to the right of the Avenger discussing the aircraft can be seen Paul Harrison(in the overalls with yellow patches). Ok back to the engine removal. Here is Dennis Pett disconnecting more cables, pipes and cowling. And here you can see the cylinder we were trying to remove, unsuccessfully as it turned out. Here you can clearly see the green oil tank attached to the firewall. I might already have posted this one but here it is anyway. Of interest is the Oxford wing tip to the right. Another shot with the engine removed and you can see the slightly rusty bit of armor plate behind the,now removed, oiltank. And sitting on a prop stand the Avenger's prop. The four bladed prop behind is off a Hastings. Thats pretty much it for the Avenger photos. We will have a look at some other aircraft next time including a Devon with a unique window!! Stay tuned! Baz ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 15, 2009 16:02:03 GMT 12
Great photos! I like the ones of the C-47 Dakota running up.
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Post by alanw on Mar 15, 2009 16:39:41 GMT 12
Great photos
Thanks for sharing them,
One question, I hope you will be able to answer, the colours of the oil tank/oil filter cooler/Engine mount bulkhead, are they the original colours that the aircraft arrived from Grumman with? Or are they re-paints by the RNZAF during it's service?
Reason I ask is that (my understanding of it) Grumman painted most of the engine bay Grumman Grey but if those are original colours then the Grumman Grey issue is only part of the equation
Thanks
Alan
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Post by baz62 on Mar 15, 2009 19:15:45 GMT 12
Hi Alan glad you enjoyed them. I am guessing here but I would say they have been painted later as the firewall abd armour plate were that grey you mention. The green is probably the "cockpit green" you see usually on British internal stuff and the blue colours looks the same as the blue used on the MKIIa and MKIII Harvards overhauled at Woodbourne in the 1950's. Regards Baz ;D
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 14, 2009 21:08:52 GMT 12
It's been a while since I posted photos to this thread. Some more of engine running of the Dak plus others to come when I get some time in between studying for Uni exams..... Running up the Museum's Devon. The Museum's Dak. My first encounter with her was as an ATC cadet tasked to polish the underside along with a number of other cadets from our Squadron. Our reward was an air experience flight in an Airtourer with a PTS instructor including aerobatics over Lake Ellesmere and 'dogfighting' the other Airtourer that was up at the same time. Quite the thrill for a 14 year old that's for sure.... An 'arty' Avenger shot, taken not long after she had been repainted in target tug colours. Lastly me aged 16 or 17 doing an essential job after running up the Avenger, cleaning engine oil off the new paint job. Best done immediately afterwards while it was still warm.....
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 14, 2009 21:38:59 GMT 12
More great shots, thanks for posting them.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 15, 2009 17:49:21 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Jun 15, 2009 18:50:03 GMT 12
Lastly me aged 16 or 17 doing an essential job after running up the Avenger, cleaning engine oil off the new paint job. Best done immediately afterwards while it was still warm..... [/quote] And in the cockpit is my exRNZAF friend from work one Peter Tolheok (Bet I murdered his last name!!)
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Post by shorty on Jun 15, 2009 20:29:48 GMT 12
Just swap the e and the o around !
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 15, 2009 20:59:55 GMT 12
Those Anson restoration shots are just superb Ken. A really interesting insight into the rebuild of this wonderful old bomber. Thanks for posting them.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 15, 2009 21:20:13 GMT 12
My pleasure Dave I really admire the workmanship of aviation professionals, especially the 'old school' ones!!
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 18, 2009 15:48:45 GMT 12
We didn't always know what would be awaiting us upon our arrival at 7 hangar each Sunday afternoon. What ever it was though, we'd tackle the task with gusto. After the work on the Avenger, we were quite adept at paint stripping. here we begin work on the Beaver. As you can see from the above pics, it's like a giant 1:1 scale kit set which gradually would come together as the professionals did their stuff during the week and we'd do our little bit on a Sunday afternoon. Here is Dennis removing the metal coverings from the Avenger's elevators NZ2504 minus said elevators (and the rudder). and lastly the Avenger in more 'war-ry' paint-scheme with a younger Baz62 posing in front.....very staunch!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 18, 2009 21:27:11 GMT 12
I had no idea that a complete rebuild had been done on the Beaver. I assumed it had been flown in from Gisborne or wherever, repainted and put on display. These photos are really fascinating.
Interesting too to see the Wright Flyer (?) and the Hind in these shots, and the guts of the Link Trainer.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 19, 2009 12:29:17 GMT 12
More to come in between exam study, hopefully on Sunday as my first exam is tomorrow afternoon. Yep the Link Trainer was fully functioning including it's attachment to a plotting device on a table that plotted your track in red ink (or whatever they used). I wonder where it is now? Stored somewhere for eventual display one hopes.....
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Post by baz62 on Jun 19, 2009 17:01:54 GMT 12
I had no idea that a complete rebuild had been done on the Beaver. I assumed it had been flown in from Gisborne or wherever, repainted and put on display. These photos are really fascinating. Interesting too to see the Wright Flyer (?) and the Hind in these shots, and the guts of the Link Trainer. She was a real kitset alright as Ken said. I thought it was quite appropriate for this ex topdressing Beaver to become an RNZAF museum aircraft considering the topdressing background of the Avenger!! ;D
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Post by Radialicious on Jun 19, 2009 22:31:42 GMT 12
Obiwan, you might have bumped into my old man during your time in 7 Hangar. F/S Jerry Marshall was him, a gifted Machinist who was given the task of setting up the RNZAF Museum workshops in 7 Hangar. In his time with the Museum, the Anson, Skyhawk, Auster, Beaver, Avenger, Bleriot and Harvard were restored and/or prepared for display. He was wasted as a SNCO buried away in Tech Wing before his move to 7 Hangar. A keen model engineer and steam enthusiast, the 8 years he spent in the workshops were some of the most satisfying in his career. I hope he doesnt mind me saying that he and the many craftsmen that restored the Anson were gutted when the powers that be didn't let them reassemble her after her visit to the paintshop. It was a world class restoration that was assembled inside the display hangar before the big opening. Admittedly the schedule was pretty tight back in 1987 but it is a shame that the completed machine never got to see sunlight or sit on the grass of her old airfield. So many of those photos are familiar to me because I spent a lot of time in that hangar as a teenager. It is great to see them posted.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 19, 2009 23:58:31 GMT 12
Has the Anson never been outdoors again since the museum opened? Most of the others have rolled in and out.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 20, 2009 9:18:25 GMT 12
Obiwan, you might have bumped into my old man during your time in 7 Hangar. F/S Jerry Marshall was him, a gifted Machinist who was given the task of setting up the RNZAF Museum workshops in 7 Hangar. In his time with the Museum, the Anson, Skyhawk, Auster, Beaver, Avenger, Bleriot and Harvard were restored and/or prepared for display. I may have done but it's such a long time ago. Well he did some absolutely amazing work which will live on for generations to come.
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Post by vs on Jun 20, 2009 11:48:08 GMT 12
what is the time line for the oxford and P40's restoration? I guess the Vildabeast will be a very very long time. Is the PBY next after those three. I remember years ago reading something saying that they were going to have the parts donated by Kaman for the Seasprite....would be great to see that on display
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Post by shorty on Jun 20, 2009 12:02:42 GMT 12
Obiwan, you might have bumped into my old man during your time in 7 Hangar. F/S Jerry Marshall was him, a gifted Machinist who was given the task of setting up the RNZAF Museum workshops in 7 Hangar. In his time with the Museum, the Anson, Skyhawk, Auster, Beaver, Avenger, Bleriot and Harvard were restored and/or prepared for display. quote] Al, I didn't realise you were Jerry's son. . I knew him both through the Air Force and through my time with the "steamies" at the Marlborough Assosciated Modellers. Rex Handley was a "steamie" too,
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