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Post by typerated on Feb 24, 2012 10:55:29 GMT 12
I imagine any US "combat" aircraft would fall foul of our no Nukes policy. Not worth the possible hassle for an airshow.
Think of the bad PR a B-52 could generate!
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Post by typerated on Feb 23, 2012 21:54:23 GMT 12
Sorry but chances of anything inside a transport must be a smidgon above zero.
Also RAF crews I don't think will have worked up their displays for this year yet - all that trouble for a static spit when NZ has two flying - I don't think so.
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Post by typerated on Feb 23, 2012 16:36:07 GMT 12
Not complaining mate, just commenting, I'm not blaming anyone or pointing the finger and demanding compensation from someone, just stating the obvious, it's called conversation. Seems only yesterday I was a kid and getting all excited for the big air show and never had to worry about these things before, can see now why my parents never had the same enthusiasm I did. This will be my sons first trip South of Ohakune and my first trip to Ohakea since 1999, so yeah having not done too much traveling too far from home it seems as if these kinds of expenses have all added up and snuck up on me. up till now I've just been thinking of the ticket price and possible food at the show, I suppose that's habit from all the Whenuapai shows we've had here in the past. Oh well, we only live once and I'm sure this will be an awesome air show. Sell it to yourself (and the mrs) as a mini holiday - does not seem as expensive then! works for me!
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Post by typerated on Feb 23, 2012 16:33:38 GMT 12
Maybe - Just up to here with moaning today!
I'm travelling from the South Island, yes it will cost a few bob with the Mrs - them are the breaks.
If you think it will not be that flash and too expensive then stay at home - no one is making anyone attend.
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Post by typerated on Feb 23, 2012 15:28:57 GMT 12
So you didn't know petrol, food and accomodation was expensive before you bought your tickets?
You don't have to go to the show - You can sell your tickets and presumably be happier?
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Post by typerated on Feb 21, 2012 14:39:42 GMT 12
So it appeared but was out of sight?
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Post by typerated on Feb 21, 2012 13:58:33 GMT 12
"The Royal Australian Air Force F-18s will provide some spectacular fighter jet flying displays" from the press release
reads as plural to me
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Post by typerated on Feb 21, 2012 13:03:01 GMT 12
No, but if a 4 ship comes over we may get the 4 ship and the solo displays.
I really enjoy both. The solo display is (or was a couple of years ago) as good as almost anything to seen in europe.
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Post by typerated on Feb 21, 2012 11:16:55 GMT 12
"It's here that you will see military and civilian aircraft from around the world in one spectacular event on show for the public" says the website
Well not really, or so it seems from the latest list.
Still it is a half decent show and probably as good as can be expected in this day and age.
For those that think Wanaka will be a better show - there is very little difference in either list at the moment. I Imagine there will be more machines at Ohakea both flying and static. Perhaps Wanaka is a better location but then again you look into the sun most of the day.
For those that think that NZ shows are better flown and flown closer to the crowd than foreign shows - well it depends. Certainly the big military shows have a flightline that is a long way away these days.
But as for comparing like with like - the warbird/ historic shows in the UK are second to none. Yes they are flown close to the crowd and often in large formations. Yes they are very well flown.
As an example the 16 ship Spitfire seqeunce at the Duxford BoB show in 2010 was out of this world.
Having been to 100s of airshows around the world in the last 30 years I can say that NZ warbirds do very good displays but it is also very naive to think they are the best in the world!
The RNZAF also do a great job of making their mundane machinery interesting but in the end it is pretty mundane watching the same stuff time after time.
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Post by typerated on Feb 19, 2012 20:58:09 GMT 12
Boring, just another airliner. Bring the Lancaster! ;D It is not what they bring but what it represents. The RAF struggles to support its own airshows so sending anything out here in the RAF's current situation is a major undertaking and I for one appricate the effort. Obviously bringing the Lancaster is a none starter, as is bringing fast jets or the red arrows or other such nonsense. It was always going to be a heavy of some sort. Would you rather them have declined the invite?
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Post by typerated on Feb 16, 2012 19:32:03 GMT 12
Sentinel would be another possible that has the range and no current tasking. I think the Tornado boys would love to come over and do some low fly in the alps but the chances are 0
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Post by typerated on Feb 16, 2012 19:11:19 GMT 12
What was the last RAF aeroplane to attend a New Zealand aishow? Was it the Harrier in 1992? Do they ahve any Lear jet type VIP transports? HS 125 - not much chance of seeing one east of Bastion
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Post by typerated on Feb 16, 2012 17:59:31 GMT 12
The A330s is not in service yet - first one in and out of Brize Norton undergoing testing. I also doubt that VC-10s (or Tristars) will arrive they are really on their last legs and very busy between Brize and Bastion.
The obvious machine to send would have been a Nimrod but sadly no more.
I think the Last RAF machine downunder (to Avalon) was an E-3. It is the only aircraft with the legs to get here without too much drama and no current tasking so can be spared.
Certainly will be interesting to see what the RAF send
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 21:39:49 GMT 12
Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly Capt. Chris Nations, a PACAF Aerial Demonstration Team pilot based at Misawa, performed daily aerial demonstrations during the air show through July 9. The demonstration also included a ground show performed by the PACAF Demonstration Team and a static display of the F-16 Fighting Falcons. www.pacaf.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123263147www.airshowbuzz.com/go/thread/view/119626/27641729/?pg=lastI siad usually! Can't think of any USAF fighter I have seen displayed in the last 10 years has had not an ACC driver. And it will come as no surprise that both the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels will not be leaving the States/Canada this year I also can't see any chance of anything RAF flying - Display Auth does not happen till later in the year. It would be a minor miracle for something (anything) to arrive from the UK
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 21:06:21 GMT 12
Still, the driver would be from ACC, obviously this does not cover AMC though. ACC Driver wise No PACAF is a Totally separate command from ACC - AMC - AFGSC etc Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 20:32:20 GMT 12
Still, the driver would be from ACC, obviously this does not cover anything from AMC though - C-17 is the most likely I would think.
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 10:02:42 GMT 12
ACC statement about reduction of single-ship demo teams in 2012
We face significant fiscal constraints and are making tough decisions about the best ways to continue providing combat airpower to warfighting commanders, which is what we do as the Air Force’s primary force provider.
One decision we’ve made is to sponsor one single-ship demonstration team for the 2012 air show season, scaling back from the six teams we’ve historically sponsored – A-10 East & West, F-16 East & West, F-15E and F-22.
For the 2012 season, we’re sponsoring our F-22 demonstration team to perform at up to 20 shows. In addition to the F-22 demonstration team, the Thunderbirds are set to complete a full season next year, and their schedule will be announced next week at the International Council of Air Shows conference.
Reducing the number of single-ship demonstration teams will allow us to reallocate more than 900 sorties to our wings so they can maximize their flying hours for combat readiness training, offsetting some of the reduction we’ve seen in flying hours. Most importantly, reallocating those sorties will provide an increase in more than 25 combat-ready fighter pilots – that’s a very good thing for our Nation and wise stewardship of our limited resources.
The opportunity to showcase our aircrew at air shows around the country is important – and we’re confident our Thunderbirds, F-22 demonstration team and the Air Force Heritage Flight Foundation will continue highlighting the extraordinary work of all our Airmen.
No chance of US fast pointy things flying in NZ then
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