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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 16:04:57 GMT 12
When she was restored in the early 1960s did she keep the Mustang prop blades or gain appropriate Corsair ones? I'd still like to build a model of her sometime and the prop is something I missed. Also, check out this photo of her at Vancouver in December 1971 I just stumbled upon: farm4.staticflickr.com/3026/2619132690_6b3250547e_b.jpg |
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Post by noooby on Jul 29, 2017 1:38:12 GMT 12
Zac, are you sure about the Mustang blades?
The Mustang uses a 24D50 prop. The Corsair a 23E50 prop.
2 is the major prop type designator.
4 or 3 is the number of blades.
D or E is the shank size of the blade.
50 is the engine shaft size that the prop is splined to mount on.
So while it is possible I guess to put Mustang blades on a Corsair, they would rattle around in the hub as the shank is smaller (D size shank as opposed to E size)
I doubt Mustang blades were fitted. The 23E50 hub is so common there would have been plenty of blades to choose from (Mossie, C47, PBY for instance).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 13:40:29 GMT 12
Early photos at Asplin's show her with flat-tipped blades and someone suggested they were Mustang blades: If I could add a photo to this interesting thread. It was taken in 1958 (with my box browny) .  |
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Post by baz62 on Jul 29, 2017 15:07:33 GMT 12
Certainly Mustang blades match the profile. Mosquito blades come close but are slightly rounded whereas these are definitely flat ended.
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Post by shorty on Jul 29, 2017 15:25:57 GMT 12
Early photos at Asplin's show her with flat-tipped blades and someone suggested they were Mustang blades: If I could add a photo to this interesting thread. It was taken in 1958 (with my box browny) . It would be pretty unlikely that Mustang blades would be fitted when Aspin/Larsen never broke up any Mustangs which brings up the question why would you bother when they had Corsair props coming out their ears. I personally think the Mustang story is just uninformed talk from some "enthusiast" who was unaware of the disposal set up. |
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Post by baz62 on Jul 29, 2017 16:50:35 GMT 12
I personally think the Mustang story is just uninformed talk from some "enthusiast" who was unaware of the disposal set up. Yes but what is the prop off as it isn't Corsair.......unless someone modified the blade tip? And why would you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 17:29:12 GMT 12
I personally think the Mustang story is just uninformed talk from some "enthusiast" who was unaware of the disposal set up. My source: Is it me or do the blades in that hub in the last photo look like Mustang ones? They certainly dont look like Corsair blades to me. I guess it doesnt really matter, but great photos indeed! Cheers Anthony Also, according to NZDF Serials NZ2407 went to Rukuhia in 1952 so..... |
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jul 29, 2017 17:55:34 GMT 12
Mustangs have 4 blades. DC-3?
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Post by joey05 on Jul 29, 2017 18:03:22 GMT 12
 dc3 by Joe Smith, on Flickr DC3 as per Rotorua example and I think they are a 23E50 so would fit? |
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Post by markrogers on Jul 29, 2017 22:09:46 GMT 12
They certainly do look like Mustang prop blades, the profile looks very much like those on the late model RNZAF Mustangs.
If you look more closely at the 3 blade profile, it is a bit off. The prop blade on the left looks a bit loose, hanging down a bit more than it should.
If the Mustang prop blades were fitted to a Corsair hub, they would be quite loose in it because they aren't the right diameter being a bit smaller. Hence the prop blade profile being a bit off.
And if NZ2407 did go to Rukuhia, then it's possible that NZ2407's prop blades were removed from its hub and at some stage were stuck into the Corsair's prop hub. Makes you wonder why they didn't stick the proper Corsair prop blades on if they still had them? Most of them were probably melted down by then but there must have been some left as the Corsair had the proper blades fitted during it's showing at the Hamilton airshow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:33:36 GMT 12
Based on the more squared-off tips I don't think they're ex-DC-3. Another pre-restoration photo showing the Mustang-ish prop, from earlier in the thread and credit to Shorty (and the Internet Archive for saving all his photos on pg1):  NZ5648 Asplins c1956 Shorty by Zac Yates, on Flickr And another one which I think I found on eBay:  T2eC16dHJGE9nm3rIrZBQLqhqiig6057 by Zac Yates, on Flickr There's also a very small photo here which seems to show shorter-than-Corsair blades: www.warbirdsoverwanaka.com/past-airshows-2004-2016/2004-airshow/2004-feature-stories/I'm sticking with Mustang blades being fitted in the Corsair hub, otherwise I've no clue what else they're from. So weird! Any chance someone has 43willys' colour images saved somewhere? Unfortunately the Internet Archive capture from 31/08/2016 doesn't have them. |
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Post by camtech on Aug 3, 2017 12:42:49 GMT 12
Just found a photo I took of NZ5612 at Asplins 31 Oct 1970, and some others taken about 11 months later.
No prop at all and looking very sad for herself. I'll post them later.
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Post by camtech on Aug 3, 2017 15:32:39 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 16:43:26 GMT 12
Fascinating stuff, thanks for taking the time to post these! I definitely think the new cowl was a temporary measure  |
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Post by camtech on Aug 3, 2017 17:31:01 GMT 12
Despite what you my think, in the third photo, the serial is clearly NZ5612. I zoomed in on the original scan and checked.
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Post by John L on Aug 8, 2017 17:50:12 GMT 12
Jeez - she'd taken a bit of a beating....
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Post by camtech on Aug 8, 2017 19:08:45 GMT 12
But, at this point in her life, in far better condition than some rebuild projects.
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 14, 2017 18:54:36 GMT 12
Great photo's camtech....she sure looks a lot better now!
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Post by agalbraith on Aug 14, 2017 18:57:54 GMT 12
When she was restored in the early 1960s did she keep the Mustang prop blades or gain appropriate Corsair ones? I'd still like to build a model of her sometime and the prop is something I missed. Also, check out this photo of her at Vancouver in December 1971 I just stumbled upon: farm4.staticflickr.com/3026/2619132690_6b3250547e_b.jpgGreat find there! Did I read Josephine got dropped at the shipping wharf or something?? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 19:08:30 GMT 12
Thanks Anthony, sometimes my endless Googling at work pays off! It seems she was impounded as an article of war - shades of Spitfire MH367 - for two years on the way to the US, according to various online sources. Classic Flyers Museum at Tauranga has a very nice colour photo of Josephine, I think parked near AESL/Air Parts/whomever:  Untitled by Zac Yates, on Flickr They also had two B&W photos of her pre-restoration and with the short square blades but I didn't take photos of those. |
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