Have just been to MOTAT for a little look. Their plan has a F27 and a Hawker Hind...where are they coming from? There seems to be a lot of junk in there like old aircraft seats...old seats etc...be better to throw them out and make more space.
I agree that there is quite a bit of stuff that could be moved on from the display hangar the last time I visited. Many of the seats and other odd bits we moved into the display hangar when cleaning out storage areas 15 years ago.
From what I understand the F27 deal has fallen through, though it would be great to have one preserved at the museum. Fingers crossed that one becomes available at some point.
The Motat Hawker Hind will basically be the one that was on display at the RNZAF museum for a few years. They were the Motat wings anyway, and the fuselage was Don's first static attempt at a Hind. He's now working on airworthy versions.
Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 9, 2010 23:11:43 GMT 12
It is probably a good thing about the Friendship because it would be a hell of a job to get it on site these days. Unless a heavylift helicopter brought it in as large components.
The seats may be an odd thing to see cluttering the place but I note many of them are placed where the public can sit on them and rest a bit while admiring the aircraft which is a good idea, especially for older folk. I like some of the other "clutter" such as the sales models of the Short Empire and other types, and cutaway engines, etc. I remember when the hangar was just aeroplanes and it looked fairly empty and drab. There is actually some amazing stuff amongst the ephemera and also the cases there when you take the time to look. I used to gaze mainly at the planes but on more recent visits I've taken more time to look at the other artifacts and some of them are amazing.
I hope though that in the hangar upgrade they will also be upgrading some of their cases, there are some very outdated and faded displays now.
Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 11, 2010 12:05:34 GMT 12
I hope that if the deal has indeed fallen through as Richard says, that they use the space in the hangar to put the unique RB-34 Ventura on the floor and not string it up where it cannot be partularly seen so well.
Thats not a Fokker F 27, it's a Fairchild F 227 ex the Phillipines, came to ANZ for a major servicing and was so badly corroded it was stripped and the airframe written off and given to the Rescue Fire Service at CHC for use as a training aid. They have been using it for about 20 years. The URL for the pictures are labelled as "airnewzealand-towtrainer" but as you can see from the nose gear photo it could not possibly be used for that!
Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 11, 2010 16:16:04 GMT 12
I have very recently seen a photograph of ZK-BXH looking very tidy and painted in the current Air NZ colours with a caption underneath the photograph stating it is used for training at Air NZ's Christchurch engineering base.
I'm wracking my brain trying to remember where I saw that photograph (it was within the last couple of weeks). It may have been in a newspaper somewhere, or perhaps in a magazine.
If you aren't living life on the edge, you're taking up too much space!
As I said, if you look at the nose gear on the Fairchild there ain't no way that will pivot so it is definitely NOT useable as a towing trainer. Neither does it have brakes fitted (see main gear photos) and the most important thing when towing an aircraft is that you have someone riding brakes. A Mt Cook Engineer was fired for disobeying that rule when towing a 748. It does not belong to ANZ either, in the time I was working at the airport it sat over by where Drake Aviation were, then it moved over by what was the Newmans/Ansett hangar.It was required to be somewhere fairly inconspicuous as the paying punters got unnerved when they peered out there windows while taxying out and saw it. If you can ever find someone who has seen it in use (or been trained on it) as a towing trainer I would be very intersted in hearing from them!!
If there is a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven is that an indication as to the expected traffic flows?
Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 11, 2010 18:23:19 GMT 12
From another website....
Mike Davies wrote me in May 2005: "Thank you for a very interesting look at a piece of our aviation history. That's right, history all the way from New Zealand!
When we received 4 F.27's from Aer Lingus, 10105 was the first of 4 aircraft delivered from that operator. It underwent a major refit at that time and subsequently entered service with National Airways Corperation (NAC). I was a very young aircraft engineer at that time and reading the article brought back many memories of this aircraft (some good and some not so good...)
NAC operated a fleet of 21 Fokker F.27's over the period 1961 - 1994. At this point in time, some 40 odd years since I first started my aircraft engineering career, I am still using the good old F27 to teach basic aircraft engineering at our (Air New Zealand) training school at Christchurch International Airport. The Aircraft we use is serial number 10190 with registration ZK-BXH and is still basically in flying condition.
I'd like you to know that we have a huge amount of F.27 spares, both serviceable (with release notes) and unserviceable for both the aeroplane and the good old Dart 6. If we can be of any assistance in the future let me know, or if anybody is in our neck of the woods, just give us a call and drop in. We would be pleased to see you. Cheers for now!"