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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 2, 2009 0:05:57 GMT 12
Ah yes, I know a chap who jumped out of that Lancaster, John Morris. So was your uncle the pilot who heroicly stayed with the aircraft to save the village? There's a nice little book about the crew.
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Post by bevansmith on Sept 2, 2009 16:39:39 GMT 12
Hi Dave,
Yes - Noel Stokes, who went down with the Lanc is my great uncle (grand-mother's brother). The reference to the Howzat above comes from a picture in the book by Glyn Strange. Is the book you refer to that one or is there another.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 2, 2009 17:43:10 GMT 12
Glyn's book is the one I ment, I couldn't think of the title when I wrote the last post. I interviewed John a few yers back and it was the first time he'd talked to anyone at all about his wartime experiences and his ordeal of being shot down and evading capture twice (the second evasion almost successful). He then had bits of his story also published by Glyn and I helped to promote the book through my website at the time, and then his tale was again recorded and published by Alison Parr in The Big Show (whom John said got onto him after reading his story on my website, so it's all interconnected).
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Post by bevansmith on Sept 5, 2009 21:37:13 GMT 12
A couple of years ago on Anzac Day on the radio I heard John relating his story recorded as part of Oral History of NZ (unsure of name). I was all ears when I heard it all, knowing it was part of Noel's story. Is this the recording your refer to?
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Post by trx850 on Sept 6, 2009 21:49:21 GMT 12
Hi to all. From my hard drive comes the following plucked from the 'net' Most of the nose art came from the 'Old Feltwell' site which now appears to have vanished! First up is my favourite Bones/Cuthbert  And the crew  “Bones” 75 Sq. Wellington painted 1940. Refers to Wellington L7948 of No.75 Sq. Coded AA-V Also bearing the name “Cuthbert”  “Donald Duck” Painted by D.W. SmithBEM on 75 Sq. Wellington in 1940. This aircraft shot down in August 1940. Most likely refers to Wellington Mk Ic Ser. No. R3176 Ex-Ops on Horst, crashed at Barton Mills, Suffolk 03. /04. 08.40. Sq/Ldr. W.I. Collett killed, (buried St Nicholas, Feltwell), 5 crew injured.  “Popeye” Painted by D.W. Smith BEM on a 75 Squadron Wellington in 1940. This aircraft crashed into the River Humber on 03.05.41. Refers to Wellington Mk Ic Ser. No. R3169 of 75 Sq. Ex-Ops on Hamburg 06/07.05.41 Sgt D.L. Nola & 4 crew killed, 1 Uninjured. J Wellington Wimpy, a pre war newspaper cartoon character in the UK. A natural for an aircraft nicknamed Wimpy!  “Wimpy” Painted by D.W. Smith on a 75 Squadron Wellington in 1940. This aircraft crashed in a field Near Feltwell in October 1940. Wellington Mk Ic Ser. No. L2820 of 75Sq. Crashed on Methwold Fen due to fog. F/Lt C.L.Gilbert & 5 crew injured.  “Old Bill” Painted by D.W. Smith on a 75 Sq. Wellington in 1940. Aircraft Transferred to No. 37 squadron and sent out to Egypt Serial unknown at this time.  Serial and codes unknown, but attributed to No.75 Sq. Very professionally done artwork!  Also attributed to No.75 Squadron, but once again, no serial or code. Cheers, Pete M. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 6, 2009 22:09:36 GMT 12
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Post by Andy Wright on Sept 6, 2009 22:58:21 GMT 12
I don't think I've seen so much 75 Sqn noseart in one place. Thanks guys.
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Post by aotearoa on Sept 7, 2009 17:12:18 GMT 12
Catalina NZ4012 was named "The Naughty Nine"
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Post by ams888 on Sept 21, 2009 15:49:58 GMT 12
A Hudson in No. 3 (GR) Squadron was called 'Tutae Wera', which translates from Maori to English as 'Shit Hot' Interestingly in my research into the GR and BR squadrons I have interviewed a crewmember from that aircraft and another from the Ventura 'Slippery Sam' Wasn't Corsair NZ5416 called "Tutae Wera"? It was with 3SU. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 21, 2009 18:32:22 GMT 12
Here is the Tutae Wera nose art from a photo sent to me by John Scullin who took it at Rukuhia grave yard  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 24, 2011 11:15:39 GMT 12
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Post by Tony on Jun 24, 2011 12:20:59 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 24, 2011 12:48:15 GMT 12
Yes, a case of poor research by the look of things. Often the case that these myths started way back in the 1960's and 70's when something incorrect was published and has become the "known history" whereas the true facts emerge years later but people still refer to the wrong material as it has been perpetuated so often.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 24, 2011 13:17:10 GMT 12
By the way that P-40E HQ-A was NZ3007 and carried the nickname 'Magnolia Mufflewort'
And the blue of the operational roundels is far too light and bright and should be like the other NZ-based roundel blue. I guess this is where that silly myth came from too?
What is with the blue bars on that P-40N? Can that possibly be right? I'd doubt it. I'm also sceptical of the grey spinner when they were all painted white in the combat zone for safety reasons (identification so the Yanks didn't shoot at them).
I also don't believe the RNZAF ever referred to their P-40's as Mk 1, Mk III, Mk IV, etc so I assume this is a British publication and author?
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Post by nuuumannn on Jun 26, 2011 4:48:55 GMT 12
Hello,
Regarding the name 'Tutae Wera'; it is often misinterpreted as "Shit hot" but is actually "Hot shit". Maori language transposes the adjective and the noun, in this case 'Tutae' being the noun. An example is Waiwera hot pools north of Auckland; 'Water hot', just doesn't make sense. Another is 'Urewera'; this means 'Hot penis' - there is a story about a bloke who dips his wang in a hot spring...
Anyhoo, 75 Sqn Lancaster B.III NE181 "The Captain's Fancy", having completed over 100 ops was actually earmarked for preservation here in NZ post war but never made it...
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Post by shorty on Jun 26, 2011 9:31:12 GMT 12
Yes, a case of poor research by the look of things. Often the case that these myths started way back in the 1960's and 70's when something incorrect was published and has become the "known history" whereas the true facts emerge years later but people still refer to the wrong material as it has been perpetuated so often. A prime example of this is the Profile publication coloured drawing of NZ 3072 not only had the pale blue roundels but also the had the white ID bars outlined in red. What looked like 1" red outline was simply where the masking tape had removed the oxidation from the camo when it was removed after painting the stripes (plus a bit of very light overspray on the rest). This was also obvious around the white leading edges on the Beaufort wings we removed from New Guinea. Also whoever wrote the captions for those drawings above obviously didn't know how the NZ SU system worked otherwise he would have to have given accurate dates to verify his squadron assumptions. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2011 11:58:30 GMT 12
Nuuumann, thanks for that. In the case of the Hudson called Tutae Wera I have spoken with two of the crew members who named it that and both said their interpretation was 'Shit Hot'. That is the meaning they wanted to portray, so I will stick to that. It's probably the same with the Corsair with the same name. The way a language is translated officially and the way it is interpreted by the individual can be two different things, we know this even when looking at English and the variation of meanings.
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Post by alanw on Jun 26, 2011 12:37:56 GMT 12
Yes, a case of poor research by the look of things. Often the case that these myths started way back in the 1960's and 70's when something incorrect was published and has become the "known history" whereas the true facts emerge years later but people still refer to the wrong material as it has been perpetuated so often. Dave Interestingly you should mention that, have been told on at least one occassion by an "Overseas" so called researcher that we of the Antipodies don't know what we are talking about, and that these so called researchers know better than us and we should get used to it  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 26, 2011 12:41:58 GMT 12
Who was that? Name and shame please!
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Post by nuuumannn on Jun 26, 2011 14:09:10 GMT 12
Dave,
Nah, dumb Pakehas.
Alanw,
Dumb foreigners...
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