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Post by Tony on Jul 2, 2011 13:32:11 GMT 12
Did the N-1 not have the glasshouse back canopy?
Same as the K's & M's |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 2, 2011 13:36:28 GMT 12
What we need is the page from the No. 19 Squadron ORB to see who flew which P-40 into Waipapakauri that day. Does anyone have a copy of the No. 19 Squadron ORB?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 3, 2011 1:18:20 GMT 12
The other night while looking at that photo of Waipapakauri in Brendon Deere's book I noted the two photos above it on the same page of P-40E's at Ohakea appeared to have names too. So Brendon has very kindly scanned them for us too. Sure enough, jackpot. The aircraft in the foreground is none other than out old mate Umslopogaas. So it's likely these are all No. 14 Squadron aircraft, or maybe this is them after the squadron left for the Pacific in P-40K's.  And Umslopogaas also makes an appearance in the other shot as the second aircraft too, but the closest aircraft has an all new name that I have never seen or heard of before.  Closer look, it appears to be IVAN ELLENIVANITICH, or something like that.  I skewed it around a bit with Photoshop for maybe a better look at the letters.  I wondered if there was also something on the lower cowel initially but it looks just like some missing paint. Perhaps the cowl had an accident when not of the aircraft. Or maybe a different name has been removed. Anyway, IVAN is a new one on me. |
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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 3, 2011 11:08:31 GMT 12
"The Captains Fancy"   Esmond Ware Skipper of 75 Squadrons C Flight JN-M (NE181) at Mepal showing 101 ops in April 1945. L to R Standing Dick Wright (RG), Wilf Cairns * (W/op) Esmond * (Pilot ), Jerry White (M/UG) In front Duck Carter (F/E) Tubby Emslie * (Nav) Stan Heald * (B/A) * RNZAF airmen Both Esmonde and Colin Emslie survived and are active today. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 3, 2011 13:21:58 GMT 12
Thanks for those pictures Peter, neat stuff.
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Post by Tony on Jul 3, 2011 21:10:13 GMT 12
Agree with Dave here Peter - thanks for the pics.
Oh if only 'those in authority' had been keener on bringing wartime treasures back home. Imaging our very 'own' Lanc....
Dave - well spotted on the P-40's. What do you think the aircraft letter is?
H? I 'think' I can see 2 vertical lines.
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Post by Tony on Jul 3, 2011 21:26:25 GMT 12
Somewhere are the photos (and video) of 16 Squadron XO coded P-40E's overflying the Central Volcanic Plateau.
Some of those aircraft appear to have flags or small artwork near the cockpit.
Any idea?
Dave if Brendon has the originals you may be able to blow them up.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 3, 2011 22:21:55 GMT 12
As mentioned I think the code letter is R or K as the second vertical is angled.
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Post by wanganui on Jul 4, 2011 5:41:58 GMT 12
I wonder if the 'bar' on '9' is even a bar, maybe it's a repair patch? My theory of smoke/scorching may not hold water when you look at the vertical bands on '9' as they are much whiter and you'd think the one beside the roundel would be grey too if there was smoke damage. Re; No 9. The aircraft in the photo was flown back from the Canal by Colin Palmer of 19 Sqd. During a DVD interveiw i recorded with him before he died he reveiled his theory about the loss of the 2 fighters & their pilots. I also have a copy of his private memoirs which he mentions one of his aircraft was hit by ground fire setting fire to his radio though without having going through his memoirs i can't tell if it was this aircraft or another. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2011 13:49:35 GMT 12
Thanks Kerry, interesting that it was Colin who ferried that aircraft. Do you happen to know the serial number of '9' please?
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Post by fwx on Jul 4, 2011 14:52:41 GMT 12
"Closer look, it appears to be IVAN ELLENIVANITICH, or something like that."
My guess is IVAN ELLOVANITCH, as in "I've a hell of an itch", in similar sense of humour as Umslopa-whatsit.
Fascinating thread!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2011 15:14:02 GMT 12
You might be right there FWX. That makes more sense. Grrrreat name for a P-40!!
Thanks for the correction. I was studying it late at night, bit now I reckon you're right with that interpretation.
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Post by shorty on Jul 4, 2011 16:34:20 GMT 12
Notice in one of those photos in the aircam book of a vic formation of N models aircraft "F" has the fuselage roundel with only has the forward bar. Could it be that the light blue bar was a quickly applied "correction" to a similar marked aircraft with the only paint to hand at the time, i.e underside blue?
Just a thought
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2011 17:36:42 GMT 12
I also wondered about that possibility Shorty. It seems a bit odd that the workshops would not have any white paint, or they couldn't borrow some from the Americans though. Especially that late in the war when supplies were much better to the groundstaff.
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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 4, 2011 17:45:11 GMT 12
A Kiwi Crew and a Tiki Stirling  RAK Oakington August 1943 with their new Stirling EF465 MG-D. L to R 1. Ron Grabtree (B/A) 2 Scittie Fergusson (F/E) 3 Harry Goddard (RG) 4 Don Lamb (Nav) 5 Ben Dallenger (Pilot) 6 Bill Anderson (W/OP) 7 ? Gunner (M/UG) All but the Flight Engineer and M/UG were Kiwis. The large tiki has a motto which is indistinct. Note the 1940's style photo shop. The Bulldog mascot of 7 Squadron was famous for petrol tin bunting.  Skipper Ben Dallenger with the Tiki Stirling. All the crew were killed on the night of 17/9/42 on a raid to Essen, part of 17 New Zealanders killed that night on a large scale raid which drew on Wellingtons from Operational Training Units. This crew was on its 5th Operation together. Graham Burgess was the original skipper of this crew but had been hospitalised with pluresey and eventually was shipped home to recover. |
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Post by Andy Wright on Jul 4, 2011 18:18:32 GMT 12
Magical, Peter, even with the cut and paste.  It doesn't matter how many times I see a Stirling, my mind boggles at her size. Love it. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2011 19:02:06 GMT 12
Yes, thanks for posting those photos Peter, that's a really neat nose art. It's really sad to read the crew were all killed. Were they in this actual Stirling when they died?
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Post by kb on Jul 4, 2011 19:41:43 GMT 12
Gosh there's some great stuff here and the sadness of being reminded that lots of very good people died.
My contribution is Bryan Young's Spitfire Vb JL188, PS-L of 81 Squadron "Miss New Zealand". She also has another name, anyone? An interesting aircraft in other ways as she appears to have the camouflage netting look to the undersurfaces or at least the undercowl.
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Post by Luther Moore on Jul 5, 2011 2:25:09 GMT 12
Hi Guys,
I was wondering did some pilots get their own planes?Iwas looking through my Great Uncles logbook and he has flown a few of the planes above,but everyday he had a new plane.
Cheers
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Post by wanganui on Jul 5, 2011 5:46:09 GMT 12
Thanks Kerry, interesting that it was Colin who ferried that aircraft. Do you happen to know the serial number of '9' please? Copied from Colin's log book; April 24 P-40 3209 Guadalcanal - Espirita De Santo 4.00 (hrs) April 26 P-40 3209 Santos - Tontouta 2.40 April 27 P-40 3209 Tontouta - Norfolk 2.45 April 28 P-40 3209 Norfolk - Waipapakauri 2.45 April 28 P-40 3209 Waipapakauri - Whenuapai 1.00 April 28 P-40 3209 Whenuapai - Ardmore .15 (hrs) He has noted alongside "Very bad storm encountered lost Keith Armstrong And Harry Veint. Death presumed no trace" On this trip he flew as Blue Four, A Flight, 19 Sqd. From his private memoirs Colin recalled he loaded the space behind his seat with a huge bunch of bananas bought while he was in Norfolk, he also bought back an American M1 carbine bought from a Yank soldier for $20.00. Hope that's what your looking for, Kerry. |
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