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Post by tfly on Apr 13, 2014 9:09:46 GMT 12
IMHO it's not that easy to tell if its a Kiwi or Roo in the tail of that baby!
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Post by nuuumannn on Apr 13, 2014 14:32:01 GMT 12
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Post by phil on Apr 13, 2014 14:47:21 GMT 12
The info isn't that good, there's some pretty glaring errors in the second paragraph regarding anti ship capabilities.
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Post by nuuumannn on Apr 13, 2014 14:55:05 GMT 12
Is that regarding the torpedo comment?  |
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Post by beagle on Apr 13, 2014 21:29:42 GMT 12
IMHO it's not that easy to tell if its a Kiwi or Roo in the tail of that baby! maybe a kangaiwi |
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Post by phil on May 23, 2014 21:01:02 GMT 12
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Post by kiwirob on May 24, 2014 7:37:54 GMT 12
I must admit that I struggle to understand defence spending a lot of the time. So what we are getting is a SeaSprit built in the 1980's as an SH2(F) for the USN, put into storage in the 90's then reactivated for the Aussies in the 2000's. These 30 year old aircraft are replacing new 2000's built SH2(G)'s. I find that bizarre, surely the govt could have rebuilt our existing frames? What is happening to these frames are they being junked or will they be rebuilt as well? It seams strange to me that we are replacing newer frames with very old ones, they can't have too much life left in them, so why not spend extra money and buy Wildcat or similar?
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Post by skyhawkdon on May 24, 2014 7:53:58 GMT 12
Kiwirob, have a read through the rest of this thread for the arguments for and against this purchase. Australia spent A$1B on upgrading these aircraft and they are like new. We are getting them very cheap. They have far better capability (avionics and weapon systems) than our current Seasprites, we double the size of the fleet AND we get a full motion simulator. I'm sure these will turn out to be a great asset for the NZDF.
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Post by beagle on May 24, 2014 21:14:57 GMT 12
I must admit that I struggle to understand defence spending a lot of the time. So what we are getting is a SeaSprit built in the 1980's as an SH2(F) for the USN, put into storage in the 90's then reactivated for the Aussies in the 2000's. These 30 year old aircraft are replacing new 2000's built SH2(G)'s. I find that bizarre, surely the govt could have rebuilt our existing frames? What is happening to these frames are they being junked or will they be rebuilt as well? It seams strange to me that we are replacing newer frames with very old ones, they can't have too much life left in them, so why not spend extra money and buy Wildcat or similar? You struggle with the govt spending $147 million on 8 serviceable aircraft and 2 to be broken down for spares ? Go and find the same number of frames with modern avionics and be capable of shipborne operations. You might find on the web somewhere, I can't find at the moment,I have seen them, but diagrams etc showed what parts of the aircraft were built with new metal etc and from memory, very little was left of the original shell, that depending on each frame. Surely the govt could have rebuilt from our existing frames. Yes and be without a naval rotary sqn for quite a few years. Not too much life in them ? Prior to entry into RAN service, they were zero timed and certified for 40000 flight hours. (10 frames I am presuming) In similarity with the F16 deal, this is a very good package. We have no money to go out and purchase like the USA or Aussie. This isn't no8 wire, these are very capable machines and will do us proud for the next 15 or so years. |
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Post by meo4 on May 30, 2014 19:04:40 GMT 12
 A Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) Kaman SH-2G(I) Super Seasprite maritime helicopter fitted with Penguin anti-ship missiles underwent a successful test flight on 22 May at Kaman Aerospace's facilities in Connecticut, USA, said the RNZN. The Penguin Mk 2 Mod 7 missiles are supplied by Norwegian company Kongsberg Defence Systems under a contract announced in November 2013 to replace the RNZN's AGM-65D Maverick air-to-surface missiles. The 385 kg Penguin can deliver a 120 kg semi-armour piercing warhead over a range of 34 km, combining inertial midcourse guidance with an infrared homing seeker. The anti-ship missiles are being procured by New Zealand together with ten SH-2G(I) maritime helicopters and a mission flight simulator at a cost of NZD242 million (USD206 million). The RNZN is replacing its fleet of five ageing SH-2Gs that have been in service since the 1990s with the ten platforms, two of which are being purchased as spare airframes. The first three SH-2G(I)s are scheduled for delivery by late 2014 while the total fleet is scheduled to be in service by 2016. The SH-2G(I) can carry eight fully armed troops and two crew members. The aircraft has a maximum range in excess of 500 n miles on an endurance of more than five hours. It has a maximum cruise speed of 120 kt. The RNZN said on 23 May that the SH-2G(I)s will be based with the No. 6 Squadron at RNZAF Base Whenuapai in Auckland and indicated that it may also deploy the helicopters on board its Canterbury-class multirole vessel as well as its Otago-class offshore patrol vessels and ANZAC (Meko 200)-class missile frigates. www.janes.com/article/38307/rnzn-s-maritime-helicopter-flies-with-penguin-missiles-in-test-flight |
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Post by beagle on Jun 21, 2014 15:05:28 GMT 12
I haven't heard anything regards the disposal of the earlier 5 models.
Are they still going through that process.
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Post by saratoga on Jun 21, 2014 15:34:15 GMT 12
I don't think there is any 'disposal' of the earlier models as such.
I understand the deal involves Kaman 'swapping' those models.
As the current NZ models were new built airframes,they should have a bit of life left in them.
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Post by beagle on Jun 21, 2014 17:02:05 GMT 12
and they think they could on sell just 5.
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Post by saratoga on Jun 21, 2014 17:13:45 GMT 12
No doubt they'll refurb them ,as most of the Seasprites have had previous lives.
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Post by ErrolC on Sept 17, 2014 9:14:56 GMT 12
Snap of Chief of Navy taking a new one for a spin.
Chief of Navy NZ @jackrs55
still remember how to hover as well :-) #kiwinavy /photo/1
17 Sep 2014 3:40 via iOS
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Post by beagle on Sept 29, 2014 14:03:37 GMT 12
must be due to start packing a few up and sending them home.
C17, C5, HMNZS Canterbury, AN125, AN225, Arahura
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 10, 2014 22:04:54 GMT 12
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 11, 2014 7:35:14 GMT 12
Now that I've put it through Google translate, and looked at Wikipedia: They will be refurbished in Canada by General Dynamics. For use on the Lupo class frigates (these currently have AB‑212ASW - Italian Twin Huey anti-sub) No detail in press release about any new sensors or weapons. |
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 21, 2014 21:33:11 GMT 12
Are we wanting a new thread for the new ones? Sims to be brought up to date and operated by CAE, who are doing the Texan's too. www.cae.com/CAE-awarded-contracts-to-support-New-Zealand-Defence-Force-SH-2G(I)-Super-Seasprite-synthetic-training-devices/CAE will immediately commence major updates and obsolescence management to the existing SH-2G(I) FMFS and PTT being acquired by the NZDF from Kaman. In addition to updates to the host computer, sensor systems, tactical environment and the instructor operator station, the simulator update will include the addition of the latest generation CAE Medallion-6000 image generator and the common database (CDB) architecture. The SH-2G(I) synthetic training devices will be delivered to RNZAF Base Auckland in 2015, at which time CAE New Zealand Pty Ltd will commence delivery of on-site training support and maintenance services through to 2030. Sent from my D5503 using proboards |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 21, 2014 23:25:44 GMT 12
It probably would be a good idea for a new thread to cover the new fleet.
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