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Post by jonesy on Nov 15, 2011 14:17:38 GMT 12
Announcement today from Mr Mapp.... www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5969142/Armed-forces-to-mesh-together-Mapphe tends to use the term"amphibious" a few times, Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt that land and water? I know what he's trying to convey here but pretty poor choice of words really! Might as well tell the truth- it's a cost cutting measure! Havent Canada now reverted back to traditional forces now? |
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Post by Officer Crabtree on Nov 15, 2011 15:40:24 GMT 12
Heh, reminds me of Jones off Dads army.
This might be a good thing if we get some good equipment with it. Which I doubt we will.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 15, 2011 17:44:53 GMT 12
I very much doubt they'll still be the government in 2020. The political pendulum will have swung the other way well before then, so I wouldn't worry too much. Who knows....by 2020 both National AND Labour may be on the opposition benches of Parliament's debating chamber!  |
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Post by guest on Nov 15, 2011 18:48:00 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2011 19:34:54 GMT 12
Who knows....by 2020 both National AND Labour may be on the opposition benches of Parliament's debating chamber! With the Wings Over New Zealand Party ruling the nation. ;D |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Nov 15, 2011 19:55:45 GMT 12
With the Wings Over New Zealand Party ruling the nation. ;D Now before you get carried away, just because Cambridge starts with a 'C', don't start thinking of moving the Capital as well ;D |
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 17, 2011 12:23:31 GMT 12
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Post by adzze on Nov 17, 2011 17:49:41 GMT 12
kiwithrottlejockey; Or this? ;D  |
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Post by jonesy on Nov 17, 2011 18:36:38 GMT 12
kiwithrottlejockey; Or this? ;D At least that one's much more realistic. Do we have a secret island to launch from? |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Nov 17, 2011 20:25:34 GMT 12
The Chathams.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Nov 17, 2011 21:38:57 GMT 12
Darn. You just can't keep a secret these days. OK we have been testing colour schemes for the future amphibious force. Actually I think it looks right nice ;D  |
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Post by meo4 on Nov 18, 2011 20:23:26 GMT 12
Yip sounds like another short sighted bean counter exercise, The same people that finally realized they need uniformed technical trades to keep aircraft in the sky and ships at sea but still need a technical trade review to justify it.
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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 6, 2011 20:50:04 GMT 12
What will be important is who we get as Minister of Defence over the next 3 years. The DWP and the Capability Plan signal another DWP in 2015 so a lot of the input for that will come from this government. Of course if there is a change of government in 2014 then the DWP maybe delayed but the majority of work for that will be done prior. The Capability Plan also states that replacement of platforms such as the C130, P3, ANZAC etc., will be part of the 2015 DWP. It also states that UAVs are one platform that may be considered for P3 replacement.
With regard to the P3 replacement,by 2015 the P8 costs will be known and it will have entered operational service with the USN. The Indians have just ordered another 24 of their version of it from Boeing. Also by 2015 Airbus Military may have the A319 MPA airborne and IOC with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 13:16:34 GMT 12
You guys are thinking way too much into this, be serious guys... All we need is a handfull of Cessna 152's with a dude in the other seats holding a video camera, or if we are lucky a digital camera.  just kidding. I personally don't like the sound of UAV's for us, don't ask me why, but I just don't like it. |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 7, 2011 13:22:51 GMT 12
I personally don't like the sound of UAV's for us, don't ask me why, but I just don't like it. Because you are watching your aspirations to fly a manned military aeroplane evaporate. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 16:41:20 GMT 12
Something like that joe  I don't mind them in the United States, but they can stay out of new zealand for a while haha I don't however like the idea of UCAV's, for those who don't know what that is, Unmanned combat aerial vehicle. A jet fighter with no one at the controls. Here is an example files.air-attack.com/MIL/_EXP/ucav/ucav_header.jpg Not only do they look ugly but they lack something some what important... A pilots instinct, visual/situational awareness and overall presence in the cockpit, which in my opinion shares a large percentage of what makes a jet fighter up. The front runner for these UCAV's seems to be America, I hope they don't do something like what happened with the F-4's... Where they didn't include a cannon because they more or less didn't need them, but realised they actually did need them after numerous engagments with the less technologically advanced Migs... which they lost. Will this happen with the UCAV's, in them getting shot down by manned aircraft so they go back to being manned? I guess we will see... But if you watch the futuristic films, the combat aircraft in them all seem to be manned, very little are unmanned. I know they are only films but...  |
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Post by adzze on Dec 7, 2011 19:39:42 GMT 12
Unmanned doesn't mean autonomous though. At least, not yet; no doubt that will come eventually but possibly not in our lifetimes (true AI is difficult, and some researchers doubt it is even possible - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_%28philosophy%29#G.C3.B6delian_arguments). Admittedly being at a control station isn't as exciting but I'm picking that eventually, human physiological limitations will make many forms of manned combat aircraft obsolete. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 19:45:33 GMT 12
Woops I meant that when they became autonomous, sorry forgot to put that in. But even being at control station is not nearly as good as being in the cockpit in many ways. There is a helicopter that the US is developing that is autonomous, I think. Its called the Fire scout I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2011 19:50:12 GMT 12
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Post by baronbeeza on Dec 7, 2011 20:02:17 GMT 12
I think you will find the the military is a little above Wikipedia.
The real world has classified info and the likes which is at the opposite extreme from a junky website based on rumour etc as Wiki...
I am just saying that don't believe all you see on the internet.
Wikipedia and newspaper reporting appear to be on a par, both are normally littered with errors.
What the public is being told is many years behind the reality.
Naturally we can't go into security sensitive areas but I would estimate about eight years to be a good figure.
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just kidding. I personally don't like the sound of UAV's for us, don't ask me why, but I just don't like it.
I don't mind them in the United States, but they can stay out of new zealand for a while haha 
