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Post by baronbeeza on Oct 4, 2012 7:04:43 GMT 12
The Darts on the Viscount and F-27 are not free-turbine machines though. Same as the Garett. There is a big difference between them and say the PT-6 or Pratt 100 Series stuff. The prop on the free-turbine machines will come to a stop quickly once feathered. The direct drive engines have the inertia of the entire engine behind them and will take some time to cease rotation. The prop brake fitted to some free-turbine machines is generally to allow the engine to be operated as an APU. In this case it is the right engine. fly.simvol.org/telechargement_fly2/avions/pagesus/atr42-hotelus.php |
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Post by htbrst on Oct 4, 2012 9:58:49 GMT 12
 Haa! I remember those "unofficial" RNZAF pics in Wings magazine around that time MODIFICATION TO RNZAF AIRCRAFT
The following is an extract from the Wigram Bulletin dated 24 October 1985.
NATTS is pleased to announce that final approval for a substantial update programme for the RNZAF fleet of three Fokker F-27 100 aircraft is currently being sought.
The outcome of a lengthy and detailed co-operative venture with Fokker-VFW of Holland has confirmed the feasibility of what will amount to the largest attempted restructuring of any one aircraft type within the RNZAF.
The most obvious modifications include a further two RDa-6 engines; a 5'8" plug in the fuselage forward of the wing, and a 4'2" plug aft of the wing; a totally restructured tailplane to incorporate a "T" tail very similar in design concept to that of the Boeing 727; and enlarged integral centre wing fuel tanks. Less obvious changes will be the strengthening of the main spar; a lengthened and improved galley; and an extended nay rail incorporating a teleprinter station and dual HF facility.
The prototype of the Dash-27 (as it has been dubbed) is shown in RNZAF colours being test flown over the Zuider Zee in maritime trials. The aircraft has accrued 170 hours of flight to date with no major malfunctions experienced, and all specifications being met or exceeded. The aircraft has been modified from an original 100 Series airframe in exactly the same manner as our aircraft are envisaged to be restructured.
Advantages include little maintenance conversion to the new type. As most major components remain, costing is expected to be 2/3rd the expense of purchasing new 500 Series Friendships with the ultimate result being one admirably suited to all the roles currently utilising existing 100 Series types.
The first RNZAF aircraft will be flown to Fokkers Singapore facility, subject to further orders being placed, for work to commence 1 April 1987 at current predictions. Corporal Dave Sewell photograph.
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Post by expatkiwi on Oct 5, 2012 6:51:41 GMT 12
From the May 1986 Issue of NZ Wings:MODIFICATION TO RNZAF AIRCRAFT
The following is an extract from the Wigram Bulletin dated 24 October 1985.
NATTS is pleased to announce that final approval for a substantial update programme for the RNZAF fleet of three Fokker F-27 100 aircraft is currently being sought.
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Post by alexjc on Oct 5, 2012 7:58:29 GMT 12
Haa! I remember those "unofficial" RNZAF pics in Wings magazine around that time MODIFICATION TO RNZAF AIRCRAFT
The following is an extract from the Wigram Bulletin dated 24 October 1985.
NATTS is pleased to announce that final approval for a substantial update programme for the RNZAF fleet of three Fokker F-27 100 aircraft is currently being sought.
The outcome of a lengthy and detailed co-operative venture with Fokker-VFW of Holland has confirmed the feasibility of what will amount to the largest attempted restructuring of any one aircraft type within the RNZAF.
The most obvious modifications include a further two RDa-6 engines; a 5'8" plug in the fuselage forward of the wing, and a 4'2" plug aft of the wing; a totally restructured tailplane to incorporate a "T" tail very similar in design concept to that of the Boeing 727; and enlarged integral centre wing fuel tanks. Less obvious changes will be the strengthening of the main spar; a lengthened and improved galley; and an extended nay rail incorporating a teleprinter station and dual HF facility.
The prototype of the Dash-27 (as it has been dubbed) is shown in RNZAF colours being test flown over the Zuider Zee in maritime trials. The aircraft has accrued 170 hours of flight to date with no major malfunctions experienced, and all specifications being met or exceeded. The aircraft has been modified from an original 100 Series airframe in exactly the same manner as our aircraft are envisaged to be restructured.
Advantages include little maintenance conversion to the new type. As most major components remain, costing is expected to be 2/3rd the expense of purchasing new 500 Series Friendships with the ultimate result being one admirably suited to all the roles currently utilising existing 100 Series types.
The first RNZAF aircraft will be flown to Fokkers Singapore facility, subject to further orders being placed, for work to commence 1 April 1987 at current predictions. Corporal Dave Sewell photograph.
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 5, 2012 16:07:34 GMT 12
Looks like a DHC Dash 7. Here are a few of NAO in happier times.    |
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Post by expatkiwi on Oct 5, 2012 22:39:00 GMT 12
Looks like a DHC Dash 7. Here are a few of NAO in happier times. Nice pics here. The friendship seems a little bit naked though with its pure white fuselage. I guess I just like seeing this airplane in airline livery. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 5, 2012 23:51:13 GMT 12
You're right, the NZ Post F-27s are a bit bland. That orange NAC scheme was certainly an eye opener; gave the aircraft a bit of character.
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Post by baronbeeza on Oct 6, 2012 0:36:03 GMT 12
The Dash27 was indeed a parody of the Newmans Dash 7 that had just started service in the mid-80's. Several of the NATTS aircrew had left the Sqdn to go over to that company.
Dave Sewell was in the Photographic section at the time and was friendly with a few of the maintenance personnel.
As for the Fokker dreams of turbofans and the likes... hmmm, - it reminds me of the Dart engined Trislander derivative that BN had drawings of.
Check out the BN Mainlander on Google.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 6, 2012 10:01:08 GMT 12
You're right, the NZ Post F-27s are a bit bland. That orange NAC scheme was certainly an eye opener; gave the aircraft a bit of character. There are not many people about to see the freighters in the wee hours of the night/morning. |
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Post by area51 on Oct 6, 2012 14:49:22 GMT 12
ZK-NAO now perched on the back of a truck at Auckland Intl, registration removed but wings still attached. I'm hearing destination MOTAT but surely wings will need removal before roading......
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Post by baronbeeza on Oct 6, 2012 14:54:36 GMT 12
mrrraooaaaarrrrrr, mrrraooaaaarrrrrreerrrrr
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Post by nzjet on Oct 6, 2012 16:56:33 GMT 12
I hope they can take care of another large outside aircraft...
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Post by Ykato on Oct 7, 2012 0:28:35 GMT 12
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Post by expatkiwi on Oct 7, 2012 12:40:24 GMT 12
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Post by area51 on Oct 7, 2012 14:58:16 GMT 12
NAO was moved overnight to the southern side of Auckland Intl and has since vanished since being noted near the hovercraft "pad" early this morning. So has it caught a barge to a location nearer easier road access to MOTAT?
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Post by corsairarm on Oct 7, 2012 19:00:42 GMT 12
My obsevations of the photos of it on the back of a trailer is that it won't end up at Motat.
It would have been far easier to have taken the Outer wings and tail plane off and towed it on its undercariage to Motat. Same as the DC3.
If it has gone off the airport altogether the it may end up at the bottom of a big sea because it makes no sense to barge it around to Meola Reef. To do that you have to go around North Cape and the salt air won't do it anygood.
I was also at Motat today and there was no mention of them getting a Friendship. Pity because I would like them to get one along with the Bristol Freighter at Ardmore but I think they have enough to do at the moment without getting more big aircraft.
I have no facts to base this on, just my thoughts.
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Post by area51 on Oct 7, 2012 21:14:53 GMT 12
Thanks Corsairarm, someone must know where it has 'slipped' off to but as you say taking it by barge to an ultimate destination of MOTAT doesn't really make sense unless it was bought ashore somewhere around Titirangi and road from there but I'm not at all familiar with that coastline for access. It may well still be at Auckland Intl, hopefully someone will come up with the goods! Slackie - where are you for a "birds eye" observation???!!
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 9, 2012 7:55:09 GMT 12
I'll ask at work tonight for you guys.
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Post by alexjc on Oct 9, 2012 10:29:11 GMT 12
Interesting...I noticed in pictures NAO's two -500 'close together' rear cabin windows on the starboard side very obvious in Wings of the Nation scheme, yet in the earlier National Airways scheme looks to be missing? Did NAC put the window back in sometime in the mid 70's or is the picture 'photoshopped'?
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Post by area51 on Oct 9, 2012 22:04:14 GMT 12
An eagle eyed chap has spied the tail section of NAO beyond the remains of the Air NZ 767-200 (NBJ?) at Auckland airport so obviously a rescue fire trainer is her fate - sadly.
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Haa! I remember those "unofficial" RNZAF pics in Wings magazine around that time
