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Post by baz62 on May 20, 2016 21:36:42 GMT 12
Sad to hear she is looking sad. If I recall this Auster was on Trade Me for a while....and pretty sure I saw her when recovering BRA and Tomahawk fuselage a few years ago.
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Post by thomarse on May 21, 2016 14:10:16 GMT 12
I asked the seller a question when she was on TM but got no reply. It doesn't seem that long ago I saw her out in the sunshine at Bridge Pa - maybe 2 years?
Sad though
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Post by baz62 on May 22, 2016 9:46:46 GMT 12
I f i recall he wanted a lot for her and the engine was running on condition so potential owners may have been up for an overhaul in the near future. Plus you'd want to know the age and condition of the fabric and who knows what is hiding underneath. If it gets neglected the money he'll get for it will only get less and less.
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Post by agalbraith on May 22, 2016 11:25:23 GMT 12
I agree Baz, the problem is that Austers (like many other types I am sure) are uneconomic to keep in the (or probably get back) into the air again. Many are getting tired and need a lot of money spent on them and unless you are an enthusiast who doesn't mind pouring money into a pit you will never see a return on or have the ability to do the work yourself, then we will only see more and more GA planes gathering moss and sitting on flat tyres on little airfields all over NZ.
Look at Shannon's lovely Auster, he took the fabric off and then found himself doing a full strip back to a bare frame again. Then look at the SIDS that just got done on C172 EXE, how many hours got got poured into her with all those guys working on her? Probably more than the plane was worth?
I guess what it shows is that more important than flying these older types, is having people who are passionate about seeing them stay in the air, and prepared to spend their own time and money to do it. It's all very well saying how sad it is and all that there is only 'X' amount left. But the only way these older types will be around is if people support those restoring and rebuilding them.
As uninteresting as many civil types are to most, will we one day look back and ask why are there only plastic fantastic' is in the air? Thank goodness we have people like Craig putting a Cropmaster back in the air, and others working in their spare time on all sorts of other types for no monetary return!
Well, there is my POV.....
Lol I must have too many drugs on board from my op still! It has turned me into a cynical grumpy armchair expert.....oh a poor one at that Lol
Cheers
Ants
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Post by baronbeeza on May 22, 2016 11:40:22 GMT 12
It has turned me into a cynical grumpy armchair expert..... Hey, - welcome to the club.. |
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Post by Peter Lewis on May 23, 2016 16:12:04 GMT 12
Similar to the situation with Tiger Moths in the late 50s - 1960s.
Then, when your Tiger needed signifigant work, it was cheaper to junk the thing behind the hangar and buy another one rather than pay rather more for the work to be done on your existing aircraft.
Those were the days when you could get a roughish Tiger for less than 100 pounds.
The Tiger restoration business did not really get going until the price rose to 200k or so, when there was a profit to be made.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 10:06:28 GMT 12
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Post by agalbraith on May 26, 2016 16:52:15 GMT 12
Hey Zac
That is Rogers new one he brought back from Australia, VH-ASI. Initially going to be a parts ship but was too good for that and now is here as ZK-ASL being worked on and prepping for paperwork and first flight.
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Post by Peter Lewis on May 26, 2016 19:58:55 GMT 12
Auster J-1B Aiglet ZK-BAQ at Hastings May 2016   |
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Post by Peter Lewis on May 26, 2016 20:01:07 GMT 12
. . . now is here as ZK-ASL The marks ZK-ASL were originally allotted to Chrislea CH.3 Super Ace Series 3 c/n 131 in 1948 but this aircraft never eventuated. |
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Post by baz62 on May 26, 2016 22:07:39 GMT 12
Hey Zac That is Rogers new one he brought back from Australia, VH-ASI. Initially going to be a parts ship but was too good for that and now is here as ZK-ASL being worked on and prepping for paperwork and first flight. Roger also owns the yellow J5 AXJ which he flew to the Warbirds over Wanaka Airshow all the way from Gisborne! |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 10:00:06 GMT 12
That Q looks scarily like an O!!
Thanks all, it certainly looks rather nice. ASL sounded like a Chrislea, thanks Peter.
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Post by baronbeeza on Jul 6, 2016 12:41:10 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Jul 7, 2016 14:59:26 GMT 12
ASL is a nice example and Roger whomowns it has spent a lot of time getting her soretd to fly here. His other Auster, the yellow AXJ is now having it's Gipsy Major stripped down after discovery of a cracked crankcase.
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Post by suthg on Jul 7, 2016 16:06:12 GMT 12
I have a photo of our mill from around 1952/53 of a monoplane with the starboard wind bearing the letters ALS - an aerial view of just the Kinleith Sawmill once operational when the pulpmill was being constructed. What aircraft was that? Out of Rotorua or Hamilton?
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Post by baronbeeza on Jul 7, 2016 16:32:48 GMT 12
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Post by suthg on Jul 7, 2016 17:23:40 GMT 12
Thanks Kevin - it looks like the sliding window in the door was perfect for photography, thought it might have been another Auster but... - oh operated by James Aviation out of Rotorua in the 50's!
I'll check out the nxt two links now haha! OK, so I might have toi dig into my Superann monies, but what the heck! You only live once hehe! Hey - it was wrecked and tossed NAH!... Yeah sorry for thread drift, but keep the old girls flying eh what??!!
Graeme
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Post by satiator on Mar 3, 2017 14:32:34 GMT 12
Hi Folks I was wondering if someone could assist me please. It has been implied that ZK-CDG is now at the Ray Drury Automobile Museum, but in pictures found that were taken there  it does not have the Junkers type flaps that the 1964 pictures show for ZK-CDG? I am interested in measuring the flaps in relation to the main wing for a study I am doing on the 230xx series of wing profiles, which the Auster/Beagle has. Does anyone know where the ZK-CDG wings/flaps are now? or whether there are any other Auster/Beagles in New Zealand with the Junkers configuration. Many thanks in advance. Regards, Kevin Wellington. March 2017 ![]()   ![]() |
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Post by baz62 on Mar 3, 2017 17:23:07 GMT 12
Hi Kevin
I'm not 100 percent certain but I think the flaps are there just not installed. However in my hangar I have a couple of sets of those flaps and the wings they fit to. They are ex MK6 (so basically Terrier) from the UK. What sort of measurements are you after as I can run a tape over them if you like.
Baz
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Post by satiator on Mar 3, 2017 22:25:45 GMT 12
Hi Baz Many thanks for the speedy response, that would be wonderful! There are two types of flaps as you know, I am interested in the under slung LATER ones. LATER:  EARLY:  I will send you an E-mail tomorrow with some more details about the measurements, also including NACA wind tunnel test results of the 23012 Wing and Flap, the AUSTER/BEAGLE airfoil. They show the increased C/L of the profile with the flaps deployed at 40 Degrees. The NACA proportions are not exactly the same but it is still informative. Its a very interesting configuration, the same as a Stuka and Junkers 52 and the CRICRI of which there are a few in NZ. The JU52 has an interesting way of tidying up the interface between the flap and the main wing, Essentially it has a different airfoil, flatter underneath and the chord is longer so that when the flap is up it merges with the inner profile, rather nifty!  Cheers Kevin   |
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