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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 11, 2013 22:07:15 GMT 12
The Air training Corps was set up in WWII purely to prepare boys for life in the RNZAF, and help stream them through the training system more efficiently.
But since the war, has there ever been statistical studies to see what happens to the cadets when they outgrow the ATC? What sort of percentage of cadets carry on with some sort of aviation pursuit and:-
- Actually join the RNZAF?
- Get a pilot's licence of some sort?
- Go into civil aviation as a career?
I'm sure there must be heaps of people around the airports of New Zealand who started their aviation life in the ATC?
I'm also curious if the numbers going into the RNZAF from the ATC are less and less these days or does it remain fairly constant, and it's people from other walks of life not joining so much now?
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Post by jonesy on Sept 11, 2013 22:55:08 GMT 12
Hi Dave, my boy has joined up with the Aussie version and he loves it. He definitely intends to join the Air Force, but will be forced to return to NZ to do so. I'd had a chat with a few guys that I served with who are still serving, just to get an idea of how grim (or not) things are at home for the forces.He's keen to go for aircrew or Avionics. Theres a few in his squadron that have indicated that they will be applying when theyre old enough. It certainly gives them a good grounding for the future I believe, despite the mockery we gave them all those years ago!
On that note, from conversations I've had with old workmates it seems that things arent too bad in the mob, maybe the grumbling is being done by the guys who've been in for some time and are struggling to adapt with change-would that be correct?
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Post by flyjoe180 on Sept 12, 2013 14:42:41 GMT 12
I wouldn't know how many former ATC cadets would go on to get aviation licences or join air forces Dave, but I'd say that those who were, or are, cadets will have developed an interest or strengthened an existing interest in aviation by doing so. An interest that will no doubt stay with them forever, even if they aren't active aviators or members of the Air Force. They would also come out of it with a better understanding of our military.
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Post by chinapilot on Jan 8, 2014 11:53:03 GMT 12
ATC in Wellington in the early '60s. Great time - lots of marching but some tramping( 'bush survival' ), weekend camps at Ohakea - one of which we all clambered in the C-47 that had the rear bubble observation windows and went for a flight. This was after our very enthusiastic CO had had us parade at about 0700 on the Sunday morning bellowing out commands....sounds of window being raised in the adjacent accommodation block and being told to "F off " in no uncertain terms.  Went on to get a Licence. |
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Post by classicman on Jan 28, 2014 11:41:42 GMT 12
Of the 2 years I was a cadet in the 80s my unit produced - one MT driver; one joined S&S; and 5 got their wings as pilots. Not a bad strike rate I guess.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 28, 2014 17:11:07 GMT 12
Who was the S$S Worker?
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Post by TS on Jan 28, 2014 20:01:05 GMT 12
Ok Gents, My daughter is now 11.5 yrs old. She has been VERY keen on flying since she was 5 or 6 ever since I took her up flying with me. Just this evening she asked me again, when can she join ATC so that she can start on the road to a flying career or at least get some experience of military life. I know that she has to be 13 years of age to join so the website says, fair enough. Putting all things aside ie warm fuzzies/memories good times etc etc, is it worth while??? Would the RNZAF or does the RNZAF take any notice of someone so keen further down the track?? I do realise that schooling and results come into play here.  Cheers |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 28, 2014 20:07:13 GMT 12
Do you have a branch of the Air Scouts in your area? I believe they are a lead in for ATC, for the younger kids. (I think).
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Post by TS on Jan 28, 2014 20:47:57 GMT 12
Hey thanks for that Dave  I have know idea if Air scouts are near us, nor did I know they even existed. I will have a look into that. Cheers  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 28, 2014 21:29:28 GMT 12
I used to think it was another name for ATC, but I met a lady recently who was moaning that the Air Scouts in Te Awamutu had to close down and she has to take her son to Hamilton now. I asked was it the same thing as ATC and she said no. She said her son is eleven, I think. So I assume it is a lead in.
My Dad used to talk about being in the Air Scouts at Ardmore when he was a kid in the 1940's, that would have been cool for a kid. Mind you he lived across the road and used to sneak in there a fair bit anyway.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jan 29, 2014 11:38:44 GMT 12
I used to think it was another name for ATC, but I met a lady recently who was moaning that the Air Scouts in Te Awamutu had to close down and she has to take her son to Hamilton now. I asked was it the same thing as ATC and she said no. She said her son is eleven, I think. So I assume it is a lead in. My Dad used to talk about being in the Air Scouts at Ardmore when he was a kid in the 1940's, that would have been cool for a kid. Mind you he lived across the road and used to sneak in there a fair bit anyway. Wags at school used to refer to it s the Afternoon Tea Club! |
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Post by baz62 on Jan 29, 2014 14:37:43 GMT 12
I used to think it was another name for ATC, but I met a lady recently who was moaning that the Air Scouts in Te Awamutu had to close down and she has to take her son to Hamilton now. I asked was it the same thing as ATC and she said no. She said her son is eleven, I think. So I assume it is a lead in. My Dad used to talk about being in the Air Scouts at Ardmore when he was a kid in the 1940's, that would have been cool for a kid. Mind you he lived across the road and used to sneak in there a fair bit anyway. Wags at school used to refer to it s the Afternoon Tea Club! Yes Teresa was in the Air Scouts at Wigram and referred to us as this. Think she was jealous she couldnt get in cos she was a girl (yes I left and they get the chicks in, talk about bad timing!) |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2014 16:35:23 GMT 12
So what exactly is or was the Air Scouts? Am I right that they take younger kids than the ATC?
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Post by baronbeeza on Jan 29, 2014 17:32:33 GMT 12
www.scouts.org.nz/about_usThe movement was certainly very strong in the 1960's with even small towns having troops of Air Scouts as well as Scouts. Pre-TV days in many respects though and like anything will probably struggle against computer games and Internet. Werner and Hendley were both Scouts.. Back then there were Cubs and Boy Scouts. Somewhere along the way they had a renaming exercise.
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 29, 2014 18:07:22 GMT 12
Back in the 80's, there were Air Scout troops at Whenuapai, Hobsonville, and Pt Chev in Auckland - I was in the Whenuapai one. Besides standard Scout activities, there were aviation activities, up to Easter Camps at Ardmore with introductory flights.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2014 18:34:13 GMT 12
So Air Scouts is a branch of the regular Baden Powell scouting movement then, with aviation? Sounds just when your daughter needs to find, NZ5218.
That reminds me, someone at the forum meet the other day yelled out an indignant "it's called scouts, not boy scouts, girls are allowed in it too now!" Last night I saw an advert on TV for Girl Guide leaders. How bloody sexist is that? They force a movement set up specifically for boys to go unisex to please the feminist movement, and leave the Guides strictly female? Double standards or what?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2014 18:38:19 GMT 12
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Post by baz62 on Jan 29, 2014 19:08:33 GMT 12
So Air Scouts is a branch of the regular Baden Powell scouting movement then, with aviation? Sounds just when your daughter needs to find, NZ5218. That reminds me, someone at the forum meet the other day yelled out an indignant "it's called scouts, not boy scouts, girls are allowed in it too now!" Last night I saw an advert on TV for Girl Guide leaders. How bloody sexist is that? They force a movement set up specifically for boys to go unisex to please the feminist movement, and leave the Guides strictly female? Double standards or what? heh heh that was Teresa, I'm going to point that out to her when she gets home.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2014 19:10:47 GMT 12
I reckon if the girls hadn't all forced their way into the boy scouts, the Girl Guides would not have to be advertising on TV for leaders. Sometimes segregation and exclusion works.
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Jan 30, 2014 2:32:04 GMT 12
Good ol' TV3 - nice to see CADET150 get some airtime |
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