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Post by baronbeeza on Jan 31, 2014 11:11:12 GMT 12
That's unfair, taking photos when the sun is shining at Ohakea. The Poms will tell you how the black stands out, - hmmm.... against a grey and dreary sky. That would be the same period Beagle spoke of when they did the livery trials for the Trainer fleet. I had forgotten just how small the Air Movements building was at Ohakea.
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Post by beagle on Jan 31, 2014 14:32:32 GMT 12
yep those are the ones.
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Post by machpants on Jan 31, 2014 15:23:17 GMT 12
Some more thread drift, black aircraft stand out when better when they are moving. Yellow white etc look more obvious in that shot but the UK trials stuff I saw was clearly pointed to black being much better.
Although who knows if their assessment techniques were actually any good?!?
Anyway black looks cool, the image posted on PPruNe rocks!
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Post by saratoga on Jan 31, 2014 21:39:08 GMT 12
Threads already well drifted so i'll throw my 2c in!
My understanding of the CT-4 colour scheme trial was the need to identify the ,at the time, multitude of dissimilar speed aircraft in the Ohakea circuit. Maybe yellow was better for slower aircraft and black better for the faster types.Certainly overseas choice of black and generally the aircraft in that scheme tend toward the swifter machines.
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Post by baronbeeza on Jan 31, 2014 22:41:24 GMT 12
I preferred many of the RNZAF schemes over the RAAF equivalents. C130, F-27 or Andover over the 748, the CT-4 etc. I also think the T6C in NZ black looks much better than the RAF equivalent we saw earlier in the thread. National pride has me seeing it to be better then the Canadian scheme also. It looks great in black, I think we all agree.
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Feb 1, 2014 2:04:51 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Feb 1, 2014 7:16:39 GMT 12
still not a fan of the black but will hold final judgement till I see one. air superiority grey is cool they suit a sharks mouth pretty good. while on 40 sqn, I was very tempted to put small sharks mouths on each of the engines when we went to the UK for a Bullseye exercise.
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Post by corsairarm on Feb 1, 2014 9:07:04 GMT 12
And there is plenty of space for the RED CHECKERS symbol. Could it be combined with the sharks teeth?
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Post by beagle on Feb 1, 2014 14:24:08 GMT 12
could you do the sharks teeth with checkers
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 1, 2014 18:14:51 GMT 12
The Red Chompers?
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Post by machpants on Feb 1, 2014 20:26:02 GMT 12
air superiority grey is cool Of course Air Defense Grey is cool, so cool even the mud movers ended up copying it
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Post by beagle on Feb 1, 2014 20:35:15 GMT 12
so are all the hawks and tucanos in the uk black or have some got a different scheme for different roles they might perform
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Post by machpants on Feb 2, 2014 10:22:20 GMT 12
They are all black cos they have one role, training. In my hawk days a few were left in Air Defense Grey from the (ridiculous) mixed Fighter theory, but they are all black now. The only training aircraft not black are the grobs and king airs, as far as I know.
EDIT: Oh apart from the Reds obviously!
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Post by hamfists on Feb 3, 2014 22:33:25 GMT 12
"Took these at RIAT in 2011 - the T-6C tools up nicely"
11sqnldr, Think you'll find that's an AT-6, and the T-6C has hardpoints for fuel tanks only..
..happy to be proved wrong!
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Feb 4, 2014 0:55:05 GMT 12
you are indeed correct mate. Just went back and looked at my pics on my big monitor and it is the AT-6. There was a nice blue T-6C alongside
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 4, 2014 14:18:41 GMT 12
Methinks from memory that the Plastic Parrots over here changed from their Green/Yellow (Gold?) livery as despite the contrast they tended to disappear into the background. Maybe wrong there but it is a memory from somewhere
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Post by saratoga on Feb 4, 2014 16:28:41 GMT 12
From what i've read the T-6C has 6 underwing hardpoints ,of which 2 are plumbed for fuel.
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Post by beagle on Feb 4, 2014 16:39:02 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Feb 7, 2014 20:00:44 GMT 12
I see they have sorted out the pre screening part of the contract.....
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Feb 8, 2014 1:06:37 GMT 12
Damn - those USAF defence cuts are starting to hurt
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