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Post by nuuumannn on Sept 13, 2014 16:12:22 GMT 12
These wheels are not too far from the truth. During the war, aircraft were often fitted with makeshift wheels like this to move them about, obviously not to fly them and the MLP collection at Cracow's Great War aircraft, a large portion of which are incomplete are mounted on these. Take a look at the images supplied on these pages: The Albatros C I www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/zbiory_sz.php?ido=5&w=aHalberstadt CL II www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/zbiory_sz.php?ido=8&w=aJust two examples. These German aircraft come from the former Deutsches Luftfahrt Sammlung built by the Nazis in Berlin and opened in 1936, the same year as the Berlin Olympics. The centrepiece was the giant Dornier Do X flying boat, but the museum was destroyed in a bombing raid in 1943 and a handful of the airframes were rescued. |
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Post by aeromuzz on Sept 16, 2014 9:41:46 GMT 12
Excellent! Great to see the type's post-WW1 service recognised. From the Google Translate I read it as a rebuild with 60% retention of original parts? Any ideas where it is going when the temporary exhibition is over? Staying at the museum perhaps? It would seem fron the text that this is to be replaced by a reproduction/replica. It seems strange to me that it has been registered in NZ but hasn't flown yet (as far as I know) and there appears to intention to fly it in the near future, although taxiing seems to be on the cards. Also, where did this airframe come from? Is it a Weston-on-Green one? What happened to the ex-AHM one? I have seen a different Serial Number for the the ex-AHM one to this one so I assume this is not it. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 16, 2014 9:44:56 GMT 12
What is AHM?
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Post by aeromuzz on Sept 16, 2014 9:50:12 GMT 12
Sorry, should read AHC (Aviation Heritage Centre, Omaka). |
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Post by Brett on Sept 16, 2014 16:19:11 GMT 12
De-Flintstoned.  (Picture from skrzydlawielkiejwojny.pl ) If this is not the frame that was displayed in the AHC then it is not a Weston-on-Green frame. All of those have been accounted for. |
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Sept 18, 2014 4:58:51 GMT 12
Wow! TVALs results are always impressive
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 10:16:51 GMT 12
They certainly seem to know what they're doing ;-) 60% of the original, WW1 structure seems a pretty good amount to me. Looks like a great rebuild.
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Post by Brett on Oct 1, 2014 13:33:01 GMT 12
Back to the original topic for this thread...
The November 2014 issue of FlyPast has a 7 page article on the two BE.2s and the WWI Aviation Heritage Trust. It concludes with the comment that the building program at Stow Maries means they will not be ready to house the BE.2s during the commemorative period, and that an alternative base is being sought.
I would have thought that leaving them at Shuttleworth would have been the logical choice.
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 2, 2014 12:09:32 GMT 12
It's possible that it was rescued from the ruins of the Berlin museum in 1943 along with the other airframes the MLP has, although I'm not 100% certain of that. They have a real treasure trove of stuff, some of which are the only surviving examples of their types.
Sorry Brett, back on topic.
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Post by Brett on Oct 2, 2014 14:26:58 GMT 12
I, too, thought it might have come from Berlin. However the provisional list of 174 aviation exhibits known to have been present at the museum before the bombing do not include a Bristol. It doesn't mean they didn't have one, just that it wasn't on display. The museum at Krakow may have acquired the Bristol's remains in trade for one of the airframes they moved on, or it may be the remains of one of the 107 Bristols supplied to Poland in 1920. And back to the Berlin museum, isn't this a neat photo?  |
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 3, 2014 12:48:53 GMT 12
Terrific picture, Brett, never seen it before. I recognise quite a few of those types and if you look closely at where the man is standing at centre, just behind him you can see a Bristol Fighter, of all things! Next to the Siemens Schuckert with the four bladed prop. The Stahltaube in the foreground might be the one at the Deutches Technic Musem in Berlin and the Sopwith Camel in the back row might be the one at MLP in Poland. At left can be seen a Fokker D VII and next to it a Dr I.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 3, 2014 12:50:26 GMT 12
Are you sure that's not just a recent shot of Sir Peter's back yard?  |
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Post by nuuumannn on Oct 3, 2014 12:56:32 GMT 12
Ha! He wishes! I have a guide book of MLP's aircraft and it doesn't list a Bristol Fighter either.
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Post by ErrolC on Nov 26, 2014 11:10:52 GMT 12
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Post by Brett on Nov 28, 2014 22:05:11 GMT 12
TVAL have exported a second Bristol F2B, this one to France.  |
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Post by Brett on Dec 2, 2014 7:21:37 GMT 12
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Dec 2, 2014 8:08:29 GMT 12
Wow!! Beautiful...
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Post by komata on Dec 2, 2014 9:00:12 GMT 12
Brett
A lovely second photograph. Thank you. Can you (or indeed, anyone) tell me what this specific aircraft's power plant is please?
Thanks.
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Post by delticman on Dec 2, 2014 9:05:39 GMT 12
This is still ZK-VTV is owned by the Salis Family at Le Ferte-Alais. Like the Polish aircraft it has an Hispano engine and like the cheese, it was well worth waiting for.
I think it's in the markings of RFC/RAF 39(HD) Squadron which flew BE's from Sep 1917 to Oct 1918 when the Squadron went to France FE2b's.
I cant seem to find a service history and am wondering if E2262 ever got to France at all.
Still thinking French, the LVG C.IV is now F-AZVE. The BE2F is now F-AZZN shown as 2560. The two Albatros D.Va's are F-AZUA with works number 622 and F-AZUB with works number 920
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Post by komata on Dec 2, 2014 9:29:00 GMT 12
DM
Thanks for the details. I suspected it was an Hispano-engined machine, but being more familiar with the Falcon's thought I should check for confirmation. Curious about the 'French' service though. Would the RAF Museum be able to assist?
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