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Post by ZacYates on Jan 31, 2022 16:48:04 GMT 12
I know that at it's heart this is a political topic but try and stay focused on the aircraft and equipment, folks :-)
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Post by nuuumannn on Feb 1, 2022 8:27:23 GMT 12
My apologies, Dave. To be clear my motivation for saying what I did was not about political allegiance, more about the stupidity of the comment. Here's a picture of a P-3. P-3K2 Orion Carry on...
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Feb 1, 2022 11:02:45 GMT 12
...I'm gonna miss that friendly face
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Post by beagle on Feb 2, 2022 3:33:01 GMT 12
My apologies, Dave. To be clear my motivation for saying what I did was not about political allegiance, more about the stupidity of the comment. Here's a picture of a P-3. P-3K2 Orion Carry on... I see this image was taken when they were doing the latest bombing trials. Money had vanished to purchase new armament, so this aircraft was the first to be modded with the new wheel assembly bombs, as seen on the inboard pylons
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Post by pepe on Feb 2, 2022 8:38:41 GMT 12
They spent the money on attaching those two RR RB.211's to the rear fuselage ( a la DC-9). The climb rate has gone off the chart. Unfortunately so has fuel consumption...
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Post by Chelsea57986 on Feb 2, 2022 15:37:20 GMT 12
They spent the money on attaching those two RR RB.211's to the rear fuselage ( a la DC-9). The climb rate has gone off the chart. Unfortunately so has fuel consumption... Actually that was very cheap they used one tube of super glue on the nose of the Boeing (that is what it is right) and stuck it to the back of the the Orion. Idea was abandoned after the first test flight, for some reason.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Feb 2, 2022 17:30:29 GMT 12
[/quote] Actually that was very cheap they used one tube of super glue on the nose of the Boeing (that is what it is right) and stuck it to the back of the the Orion. Idea was abandoned after the first test flight, for some reason.[/quote]
Super glue! Typical government wasting money. A quick FOD patrol on the roadside they would have found dozens of cast off masks to platt into a towrope
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Post by Marcus on Feb 2, 2022 19:28:15 GMT 12
RNZAF 80 Air Tattoo 25 Feb, 2017 Ohakea [/url] AT 19
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 17, 2022 14:29:33 GMT 12
From the RNZAF Facebook page: Celebrating a P-8A project milestone ✈This week we celebrated a huge milestone in the production of four new P-8A Poseidon aircraft for our Air Force. A keeling ceremony took place at Wichita, Kansas, United States, marking the second keel moving through the factory, with attendees able to view the first fuselage on a rail carriage ready to depart for Seattle. Once in Seattle the aircraft will be assembled and fitout will commence. The project is on schedule to replace the P-3K2 Orion fleet from 2023. In attendance at the ceremony were Commodore Andrew Brown, Commander of Logistics NZDF, Brigadier Mike Shapland, New Zealand Defence Attaché, Wing Commander Shauna Graham, Air Attaché, Wing Commander Chris Pearn, NZ P-8A FMS Case Manager and Squadron Leader Blair Walmsley NZ P-8A Operations Foreign Liaison Officer. Our four P-8A Poseidons will better equip our Air Force to extend our reach into the Pacific and beyond, working with our partners and friends. MORE ➡️ bit.ly/p-8a-milestone
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Post by camtech on Mar 17, 2022 18:39:23 GMT 12
Not to mention Rosemary Banks, NZ Ambassador to the USA, widow of the late Brian Lockstone.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 17, 2022 21:33:16 GMT 12
Indeed.
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Post by tfly on Mar 17, 2022 23:06:06 GMT 12
Great news but is four going to be enough? Should we be procuring A330 MRTT as part of the strategic lift replacement to extend the duration of the P8 and be a force multiplier?
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Post by snafu on Mar 17, 2022 23:26:37 GMT 12
Great news but is four going to be enough? Should we be procuring A330 MRTT as part of the strategic lift replacement to extend the duration of the P8 and be a force multiplier? No should have been one for one at least, but would you like weapons with that tracking pollution is a good start for its life in RNZAF colours www.gets.govt.nz/MD/ExternalTenderDetails.htm?id=23568850#:~:text=The%20Enhanced%20Maritime%20Awareness%20Capability%20%28EMAC%29%20project%20is,communication%20and%20secure%20access%20to%20space%20based%20systems%29. Notice of Enhanced Maritime Awareness Capability project additional industry engagement 25130000 - Aircraft 25151700 - Satellites 43233200 - Security and protection software 46171600 - Surveillance and detection equipment 77120000 - Pollution tracking and monitoring and rehabilitation 77130000 - Pollutants tracking and monitoring and rehabilitation services Enhanced Maritime Awareness Capability 177. The Enhanced Maritime Awareness Capability project will support the Government’s civil maritime security strategy, providing air surveillance capabilities that enhance all-of-Government maritime domain awareness in New Zealand and the Southern Ocean. The capabilities delivered through this investment will be dedicated to civil surveillance requirements, with Defence support for their delivery and operation. This will free up the new P-8A maritime patrol aircraft fleet to fly more missions in the South Pacific and further afield. Investment in a range of capabilities will be considered, including satellite surveillance, unmanned aerial vehicles and traditional fixed-wing surveillance. Indicative dates: Industry engagement commences – Currently underway Request for tender – 2020 Introduction into Service – 2023 Indicative capital cost: From $300m–$600m www.defence.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/03acb8c6aa/Defence-Capability-Plan-2019.pdf
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Post by mcmaster on Mar 18, 2022 0:12:45 GMT 12
Enhanced civil surveillance makes sense, e.g. look at the bushfire mapping the RAAF P-8s did. I guess there is an argument with such a small RNZAF fleet how to balance these additional taskings anyway good to see some shiny new aircraft taking shape..
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Post by tbf2504 on Mar 18, 2022 8:17:58 GMT 12
Interesting in the luminaries signing the piece of frame. During WWII many aircraft had signatures of the construction crew on the primer, but in those days it was with a lead pencil which was frowned upon due to possible long term corrosion problems. I trust this signing was with "approved" writing apparatus.
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Post by Antonio on Mar 18, 2022 10:04:21 GMT 12
From Aerotime hub: www.aerotime.aero/articles/30512-boeing-begins-assembly-new-zealand-first-p8a-poseidon Image: Boeing17th March: Boeing begins assembly of New Zealand’s first P-8A Poseidon Vyte Klisauskaite Boeing has started the first phase of New Zealand’s first P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft assembly. Boeing’s P-8A team and Spirit AeroSystems employees have laid the keel beam on the country’s first Poseidon aircraft at the Spirit AeroSystems facility where all Boeing 737 fuselages are assembled. Rosemary Banks, New Zealand’s ambassador to the United States, said: “Today’s keeling ceremony is the beginning of a new era for New Zealand’s maritime patrol and response capability.” The final assembly of New Zealand’s first P-8A will be completed in a Boeing Commercial Airplanes facility in Renton, Washington. New Zealand has ordered a total of four P-8A maritime patrol aircraft. New P-8A Poseidons will replace the country’s older P-3K2 Orion aircraft fleet. The Boeing P-8 Poseidon is an American maritime patrol aircraft, a militarized version of the Boeing 737-800ERX (a Boeing 737-800 with 737-900-based wings). The P-8 operates in anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and has capabilities in maritime reconnaissance. Initially, the aircraft was developed for use by the US Navy (USN). But now the P-8 Poseidon is also operated by the Royal Australian Air Force, the United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and the Royal Norwegian Air Force.
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Post by tfly on Mar 18, 2022 12:09:31 GMT 12
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Post by machina on Mar 18, 2022 17:47:14 GMT 12
I guess it’s a like for like now that we’ve retired two Orions before the first P8 is even assembled. Does anyone know why this capability gap has been programmed in?
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Post by 30sqnatc on Mar 18, 2022 17:56:35 GMT 12
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Post by snafu on Mar 18, 2022 23:19:07 GMT 12
Yep i can attest to that as I've heard some Texans talk and had no idea what they said But I also get that from my Scottish father in laws partner no idea what she saying as well
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