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Post by beagle on Mar 5, 2017 4:51:01 GMT 12
The RFI has stated mid 2020's which I am assuming would be FOC, so would think 2022/23 for acceptance. But with all the talk regards only on limited production span, there is a possibility that these dates maybe adjusted forward. I dare say the MOD will have more information upon receipt of information back from the US.
As for acquiring any AP3C's , that would be a definite no.
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Post by dutchkiwi on Mar 5, 2017 6:19:06 GMT 12
The RFI has stated mid 2020's which I am assuming would be FOC, so would think 2022/23 for acceptance. But with all the talk regards only on limited production span, there is a possibility that these dates maybe adjusted forward. I dare say the MOD will have more information upon receipt of information back from the US. As for acquiring any AP3C's , that would be a definite no. Thanks! I already thought so. Personally I think that they will forward the whole thing and expect by 2020 they will have acceptance... if they decide to buy the P-8. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 11:53:53 GMT 12
I think they're already scrapping RAAF Orions, so we'd better be quick if that option's being pursued!
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Post by beagle on Mar 5, 2017 19:38:39 GMT 12
Only thing, we'd want off the aussies would be C17's
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 5, 2017 22:28:37 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Mar 6, 2017 16:30:22 GMT 12
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Post by fishing2day on Mar 12, 2017 8:45:22 GMT 12
First time poster! I see that this strange article has already been posted on - www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/88301398/defence-force-denies-it-has-started-negotiations-with-japan-over-aircraft-order to me the most important part was this: "...The Japanese government would negotiate a treaty to share defence technology with New Zealand and Kawasaki would consider jointly producing some parts of the planes here..." This seems to me to be a bit of signalling from Kawasaki as to how keen they are to get a lead export customer for their P-1. NZ voters hate spending money on the military, a deal that includes technology transfer, assembly and some production (JOBS!) would be a significant political sweetener. |
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Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 12, 2017 15:01:55 GMT 12
If they were that keen to sell us the P-1 you would have thought they would have brought one out here for the Air Tattoo, instead of a 767... mind you there was no P-8 there either!
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 12, 2017 15:26:55 GMT 12
Actually using them in the RNZN75th exercises in theory is a much better demonstration of capabilities to decision-makers.
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Post by isc on Mar 12, 2017 19:38:40 GMT 12
Saw a bit in yesterdays Press (Chch)about Australia getting a bit twitchy about a Chinese naval exercise to the north of Australia, and the need for more patrols by the new P-8s and Triton drones. isc
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Post by dutchkiwi on Mar 12, 2017 22:01:03 GMT 12
Saw a bit in yesterdays Press (Chch)about Australia getting a bit twitchy about a Chinese naval exercise to the north of Australia, and the need for more patrols by the new P-8s and Triton drones. isc Hope that it will open the eyes of the NZ politicians that the treath from Chinese submarines is very realistic. Time to take things serious! |
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Post by delticman on Mar 12, 2017 23:16:32 GMT 12
Hope that it will open the eyes of the NZ politicians that the treath from Chinese submarines is very realistic. Time to take things serious![/quote]
Not to worry chaps, they could be just like the KR DL locomotives and built with 1980's technology. On the other hand, Australian military will be banging on the doors of Canberra wanting more money for defence.
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Post by isc on Mar 13, 2017 20:27:36 GMT 12
And if they get worried enough the RAAF might be asking our lot to have the P-3s having abit of a look on our side of the line. But I doubt that our lot in Wellington will be interested as they want to keep in with all sides. isc
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Post by jeffref on Apr 29, 2017 9:19:34 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 29, 2017 10:23:39 GMT 12
What was the question that the link supposedly answers, Jeffref?
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Post by jeffref on Apr 29, 2017 10:37:16 GMT 12
If the RNZAF buys the P8 then a different aircraft will be needed for Tactical airlift.
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Post by ErrolC on Apr 29, 2017 10:58:37 GMT 12
If the RNZAF buys the P8 then a different aircraft will be needed for Tactical airlift. Is there more in that article than the single sentence available to non-subscribers? |
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Post by jeffref on Apr 29, 2017 11:09:29 GMT 12
I cannot get back as I have gone over limit however Boeing has clearance from US DOD to sell 4 P8's at $1.46 billion US. No mention if this included any of the optional extra drones for low level use but I think unlikely. Boeing of course could have gone to the trouble of clearing these aircraft if a contract had not been completed.
No doubt someone in the govt will let us know in the fullness of time.
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Post by Barnsey on Apr 29, 2017 12:06:23 GMT 12
These announcements don't mean that the sale is confirmed. And the P8 is the best aircraft for the job, so good on them..... www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/new-zealand-p-8a-aircraft-and-associated-supportMedia/Public Contact: pm-cpa@state.gov Transmittal No: 17-13 WASHINGTON, Apr. 28, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to New Zealand for P-8A aircraft and associated support. The estimated cost is $1.46 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on April 27, 2017. New Zealand has requested the potential sale of up to four (4) P-8A Patrol Aircraft. Each includes: commercial engines, Tactical Open Mission Software (TOMS), Electro-Optical (EO) and Infrared (IR) MX-20HD, AN/AAQ-2(V)1 Acoustic System, AN/APY-10 Radar, ALQ-240 Electronic Support Measures. Also included are eight (8) Multifunctional Information Distribution System Joint Tactical Radio System (MIDS JTRS); five (5) Guardian Laser Transmitter Assemblies (GLTA) for the AN/AAQ-24(V)N; five (5) System Processors for AN/AAQ-24(V)N; thirty (30) AN/AAR-54 Missile Warning Sensors for the AN/AAQ-24(V)N; ten (10) LN-251 with Embedded Global Positioning Systems (GPS)/Inertial Navigations Systems (EGIs); support equipment; operation support systems; maintenance trainer/classrooms; publications; software, engineering, and logistics technical assistance; foreign Liaison officer support, contractor engineering technical services; repair and return; transportation; aircraft ferry; and other associated training, support equipment and services. The total estimated cost is $1.46 billion. This proposed sale will enhance the foreign policy and national security of the United States by strengthening the security of a Major Non-NATO ally which has been, and continues to be, an important force for political stability within the region. New Zealand is a close ally in the region and an important partner on critical foreign policy and defense issues. The Government of New Zealand intends to use these defense articles and services to continue its Maritime Surveillance Aircraft (MSA) capability, following retirement of its P-3K maritime patrol aircraft. The sale will strengthen collective defense and enhance New Zealand’s regional and global allied contributions. New Zealand has procured and operated U.S. produced P-3 MSA for over 40 years, providing critical capabilities to NATO and coalition maritime operations. New Zealand has maintained a close MSA acquisition and sustainment relationship with the U.S. Navy over this period. The proposed sale will allow New Zealand to recapitalize, modernize and sustain its MSA capability for the next 30 years. As a long-time P-3 operator, New Zealand will have no difficulty transitioning its MSA force to the P-8A and absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces. The proposed sale of this equipment and support does not alter the basic military balance in the region. The prime contractor will be The Boeing Company, Seattle, WA. Additional contractors include: Air Cruisers Co LLC Arnprior Aerospace, Canada AVOX Zodiac Aerospace BAE Canadian Commercial Corporation (CCC)/EMS Compass David Clark DLS/NiaSat, Carlsbad, CA DRS Exelis, McLean VA GC Micro, Petaluma, CA General Electric, UK Harris Joint Electronics Marin Baker Northrop Grumman Corp, Falls Church, VA Pole Zero, Cincinnati, OH Raytheon, Waltham, MA Raytheon, UK Rockwell Collins, Cedar Rapids, IA Spirit Aero, Wichita, KS Symmetries Telephonics, Farmingdale, NY Terma, Arlington, VA Viking WESCAM There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require approximately five (5) contractor representatives to support the program in New Zealand. There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale. This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded. All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov. |
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Post by beagle on Apr 29, 2017 13:04:57 GMT 12
If the RNZAF buys the P8 then a different aircraft will be needed for Tactical airlift. why's that.... |
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