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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 3, 2016 16:38:48 GMT 12
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Post by Bruce on Nov 3, 2016 17:48:05 GMT 12
and no flotilla to protest it? its a "Weapon Of War"...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 3, 2016 19:07:17 GMT 12
I think new Zealand has grown up a bit since those naive days when they thought that doing what Helen said was right
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Post by pepe on Nov 3, 2016 19:42:04 GMT 12
I think new Zealand has grown up a bit since those naive days when they thought that doing what Helen said was right I would like to think so too, Dave, but I suspect the protest element are saving their efforts for the main events (Fleet entry and Sailors Parade) between 17-18 November. Those submarines are far too hard to spot and they are probably too busy planting hidden cameras on some Eureka dairy farm at the moment..... |
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Post by chasper on Nov 3, 2016 20:25:53 GMT 12
There is an awful lot of facebook activity trying to get people out on the water for the fleet entry, all anti US driven.A bunch of idiots is going to get a lot of media attention which is exactly what they want.
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Post by pepe on Nov 4, 2016 8:48:52 GMT 12
There is an awful lot of facebook activity trying to get people out on the water for the fleet entry, all anti US driven.A bunch of idiots is going to get a lot of media attention which is exactly what they want. Yes, I have noticed that too, hence my comments. As usual, it will probably result in the protestors receiving most of the coverage in the media and the main events become secondary. |
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 4, 2016 8:52:32 GMT 12
God..... it did actually make it there then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 12:51:07 GMT 12
I have seen mention online of protest action being planned against the US vessel/s. Disappointing, but free speech exists  I'm envious of those folk who have seen and will see the submarine, I've never seen one before and it looks like a neat machine. Ando - maybe not the most reliable boat? |
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 7, 2016 7:33:13 GMT 12
Lots of little problems when they first entered service not the least of which they could be heard across the Pacific! perhaps the devil you know..... not too sure at all about the proposed replacement. My money was on the Japanese design but wiser minds chose something else which is reputed to be an open secret around the submarine world.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 7, 2016 11:00:54 GMT 12
I'm envious of those folk who have seen and will see the submarine, I've never seen one before and it looks like a neat machine. Ando - maybe not the most reliable boat? I've been onboard an Aussie submarine, although it would be an earlier type than what they use now. It was during a visit to the Port of Napier many decades ago by a RAN submarine, and they opened it up to the public. I imagine in these risk-averse days of the likes of Worksafe NZ and other similar government organisations, allowing the public to descend into the bowels of submarines would be an extremely fraught business in a legal sense. |
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 7, 2016 15:05:00 GMT 12
Kiwi, Here, here to that. It would have been Oberon Class. Getting on board something like that is a real treat these days. Off topic but I remember when I was travelling Europe and much younger, that I found myself in Copenhagen at the same time that two Russian warships were there and one on public display. If my memory serves me correctly it was the first visit by such vessels. The escort was, to my surprise, a WW.II Lend Lease American built destroyer acting as a minesweeper and I remember this from a plastic model I had built. The main machine was a SAM Kotlin class destroyer. There was virtually no-one there on the docks and as it was at the height of the Cold War I guess there were all sorts of suspicions on all sides. I did go aboard and they were absolutely amazed that an Australian (lots of Kangaroo charades to get it across) was there in Denmark on their ship. My hour visit turned into the day and half a night aboard as an honored guest, personal tour all over the ship, feted in the Officers Mess with dinner even, meeting the Captain - these guys had the largest hats I has ever seen - akin to the 707 AWACS radar disc- and I have never before (OR SINCE) consumed so much Vodka. All ranks were very friendly and I distinctly remember that I was "obliged" to pronounce the name of the ship correctly before I could dine with them and each time it was not exactly right having to down a Vodka shot. I shall never forget it.... its phonetic pronunciation was - NAS TOY CHI VEE. Do not know how to write it but will never forget how to say it. What a wonderful headache filled experience for a young lad. Came away with heaps of plastic "Patriotic" badges - tried for an Officer's hat but very unsuccessful - some posters of the ship signed by the Officers and a completely different opinion of those guys compared to the then propaganda filled "they'll eat you children' view then espoused.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 7, 2016 17:14:36 GMT 12
Great story Ando. I have come to the conclusion over the years that despite communism the Russians were clearly the good guys in the Cold War. They never had any intention of invading the USA and taking on their troubles, they simply wanted to live their lives like everyone else. The US propaganda machine kept the lies flowing however to keep their people in a constant state of fear and keep the military industrial complex well funded so the fat cats could live it up while all they ignored their own domestic issues and breaches of civil rights (and all the other things they accused the Soviets of that they were doing themselves). Kind of just like now....
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Post by richard1098 on Nov 7, 2016 17:38:56 GMT 12
Great story Ando. I have come to the conclusion over the years that despite communism the Russians were clearly the good guys in the Cold War. They never had any intention of invading the USA and taking on their troubles, they simply wanted to live their lives like everyone else. The US propaganda machine kept the lies flowing however to keep their people in a constant state of fear and keep the military industrial complex well funded so the fat cats could live it up while all they ignored their own domestic issues and breaches of civil rights (and all the other things they accused the Soviets of that they were doing themselves). Kind of just like now.... Pretty sure the US and NATO had no real plans for invading the USSR either. But there were certainly proxy wars fought by both sides... |
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Post by lesterpk on Nov 8, 2016 3:11:45 GMT 12
Mustang51 - your Perth based arent you? If so pop down to Fremantle and you can tour an Oberon class any day of the week. Well worth the $10 or so it was and certainly made me glad I chose the air force.
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Post by pepe on Nov 8, 2016 8:42:04 GMT 12
Mustang51 - your Perth based arent you? If so pop down to Fremantle and you can tour an Oberon class any day of the week. Well worth the $10 or so it was and certainly made me glad I chose the air force. And there is also that one at the Maritime Museum in Darling Harbour, Sydney as well. |
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Post by delticman on Nov 8, 2016 9:48:34 GMT 12
What about the one in Holbrook NSW, sailed up the Snowy River?
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 8, 2016 11:01:58 GMT 12
Lesterpk, I'm living the dream in Sutherland Shire - Home of the mighty Sharks and center of the known Universe ! Next time I'm in Perth I'll make a point to have a look. The one in Holbrook certainly is an eye-catcher. Remember driving through there on the way to Melb many years ago before the bypass was built and very early one morning around dawn in the fog and the rain. Didn't know that it was there till I spied it sitting in the misty fog. It was surreal, like seeing a U-Boat out in the Atlantic !
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Post by delticman on Nov 8, 2016 11:36:07 GMT 12
Lesterpk, I'm living the dream in Sutherland Shire - Home of the mighty Sharks and center of the known Universe ! Next time I'm in Perth I'll make a point to have a look. The one in Holbrook certainly is an eye-catcher. Remember driving through there on the way to Melb many years ago before the bypass was built and very early one morning around dawn in the fog and the rain. Didn't know that it was there till I spied it sitting in the misty fog. It was surreal, like seeing a U-Boat out in the Atlantic ! Yes it was a complete surprise to me as well. A bit like Brisbane West, I thought the guy was pulling my leg. Mind you, I tend to go for crop fields and dirt strips. |
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Post by Bruce on Nov 8, 2016 11:56:37 GMT 12
What about the one in Holbrook NSW, sailed up the Snowy River? The Holbrook Oberon (HMAS Onslow) is just the upper casing and Sail (And the extreme stern) - Theres nothing inside to see... |
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Post by Mustang51 on Nov 8, 2016 14:08:43 GMT 12
But that is certainly enough in a public park in the fog when you are not expecting it !
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