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Post by tbf2504 on Jul 1, 2021 15:42:31 GMT 12
Yep Don that was my conclusion, so where will it be able to land and how are they going to dismantle and truck it to Wanaka??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 20:17:24 GMT 12
An artist's concept of the Wanaka display space on the BOBH Facebook page and the Save The Plane website shows an Air Chathams Convair in the background. I've asked on Facebook if that indicates they're going after ZK-CIE in addition to the other six airframes. |
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Post by dazz on Jul 4, 2021 21:22:35 GMT 12
A very ambitious project. Ques: can a B757-400 land safely on the 3900' Wanaka runway? Actually you may be surprised, I just ran the numbers through the FAA certified Boeing performance tool (OTP) and based on a landing weight of 200tons ( the lightest I have data for ), and assuming a standard day with a 20kt headwind on runway 29, using full reverse and max autobrake the landing distance required is 3512’ ( Rwy length available is 3937’ ). Baring in mind this includes the required 15% safety margin, the actual stopping distance from 50’ is a poofteenth ( technical performance term ) over 3000’ . The main gear width on the 744 is 12.6meters, the runway with 30meters, so although the engines will be hanging over the grass ( it is not usual for the outboard engines to be over the grass during normal ops) this will also fit. Weight wise, with a sensible amount of fuel onboard and all unnecessary cabin furnishings etc removed a landing weight in the region of 185 tons should be achievable. Assuming very little weight is placed on the nose wheels the 185/16 main gear gives around 11.5 tons per wheel, each wheel has a contact area of around 1 sq foot, so ballpark 10 tons per square foot ground loading, probably similar to the average semi trailer! Could it be done, yes, could you get approval from all the required authorities........ that’s another matter entirely! |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2021 22:37:23 GMT 12
Even if you 'can' land a big Boeing there, it does not mean the airport owner will allow you to.
It's all pretty academic anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 11:19:21 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 17, 2022 12:59:48 GMT 12
It is great to see that the Bandeirante that was delivered to the To and Car Museum at Wanaka in this hideous colour scheme Is now repainted into its 1980's Eagle Airways colours. Looks much better. |
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Post by McFly on Jul 10, 2024 19:22:59 GMT 12
www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350328000/air-new-zealands-final-ever-passenger-747-crunched-bits
Air New Zealand's final ever passenger 747 is 'crunched into bits'
An important piece of New Zealand’s aviation history has reportedly been “crunched into bits”. That’s what Bring Our Birds Home founder Paul Brennan has been told from a remote part of the US about Air New Zealand’s final ever passenger 747. For years, Brennan and his group of aviation enthusiasts have been trying to work out a deal to bring the jumbo jet back to Aotearoa. However, he told Stuff Travel he’d received the “tough” news that the aircraft has met its demise in a plane graveyard in Roswell, New Mexico. The jumbo, which was formerly registered as ZK-NBV, was not only the last passenger 747 for the national carrier, but also the final ever passenger 747-419 in the world. Only four passenger -419s were ever built, as a special designator for Boeing aircraft ordered by Air New Zealand. The others have already been scrapped or are derelict. Brennan was told that AerSale, the company that runs the facility in Roswell, “requires the removal of all derelict airframes within three months of parts recovery”, and was only something that he “came to understand much later in the process”. Stuff Travel contacted AerSale, which confirmed the aircraft “has been disassembled or is in the process of being disassembled”. “I think our followers and supporters realise that we gave it the best shot we could,” said the disappointed Brennan. In 2021, he set up a crowd-funding campaign to raise $2.5 million to buy the plane and to get it transported to the National Transport & Toy Museum in Wānaka, but “never got close in the short time we had to launch a fund-raising effort”. “We were in close contact with AerSale up till mid 2023, without that knowledge of the three-month time limitation. “Efforts to keep communications open stopped not through our lack of trying, and it's only now we know what was happening, and to be fair to owners AerSale, trying to find another area to store such a large item was always going to be very difficult and expensive in terms of moving, it is not their core business.” By its final flight with Air New Zealand in 2014, ZK-NBV had completed 67,552 flight hours, 7284 landings and flown more than 2 million passengers. It became famous for being the “Frodo Plane” due to its Lord of the Rings livery. After its service with Air New Zealand it was bought by lease specialist Wamos Air and hired out to a variety of airlines until the final passenger flight in December 2020. While ZK-NBV may now be gone, Brennan has other aircraft in his sights, including another non-passenger original -419 jet. Formerly registered as ZK-NBW (now HL7620), the aircraft is a converted freighter with South Korea’s Asiana Airlines. “Now we work on that and given that it is a flying machine, getting it here is a lot more of an easy mission if we can raise the money,” said Brennan. The group has also purchased a former Air New Zealand DC-8-52 (ZK-NZC) which is derelict at Manaus, Brazil, and is in the middle of negotiations with the airport company there to dismantle and remove it to local storage. The former Air NZ DC-8-52 which is derelict at Manaus, Brazil. “We have visited the airframe at Manaus and know the people personally and we have good legal representation in Brazil that has helped us navigate through the local legal and court system to resolve ownership of the airframe following TCB Cargo Airlines bankruptcy in 2003.” The group has also imported a pair of Pratt & Whitney JT8D-15A turbofan jet engines which had been in storage at Mojave Air & Space Port in California since 2018. It is hoped they will be joined by an old NAC (National Airways Corporation ) B737-219 (ZK-NAD), which is currently sitting in a field in North Carolina. ZK-NBV brief history: - The plane was delivered to Air New Zealand in 1998 and was christened, City of Christchurch.
- It completed 67,552 flight hours, completed 7284 landings and flew more than 2 million passengers.
- The last flight for Air NZ was in September 2014.
- It then flew for Wamos Air which leased it to several airlines including Air France, El Al and LATAM Chile.
- The last ever passenger flight was in December 2020. It has been stored in Roswell since 2021.
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