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Post by nighthawknz on Dec 26, 2019 13:42:07 GMT 12
Wish they would replace a couple of Typhoon positions with Millenium Guns... I suspect finding space for Sea Ceptors would involve a bit of re-engineering and significantly more investment in radar etc than is warranted for an oiler/replenishment ship. It may need to tag along with a front-line fleet at times but still just a fleet auxiliary. I don't see the need for more than what she is suppose to be getting... Sea Ceptors on her is over kill for an AOR. If she was to go into a hot zone, she would have an escort or two. If you look at the USNS's AOR's they have similar armament... Most are FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) Example USNS Laramie (T-AO-203) Armament: Peacetime: usually none / small arms Wartime: 2 x 20-mm Phalanx CIWS (and probably Fully armed Naval Security Team 2 or more 50 caliber machine guns) according to other listings... They were built without armaments but can be fitted with close-in weapon systems. The ship has a helicopter platform but not any maintenance facilities as they have no hangar. Aotearoa will have limited maintenance in the hangar. And if they really wanted to arming the helo... though I don't think she has a magazine or storage area for such... It is not going to surprise me if that is what ends up happening here on HMNZS Aotearoa. However, everywhere I have read official press releases and government documents, says she will have the Phalanx CIWS and Typhoons (full or Mini I don't know)... and would not surprised if multiple HMG placements was added as they is cheap. |
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Post by dgd911 on Dec 29, 2019 9:53:33 GMT 12
Why would Aotearoa only have limited helo maintenance in its hangar? This large ship would appear to have a largish hangar space so with appropriate spares could manage a significant level of NBh90 maintenance. I know there are few NH90 airframes, eight in active service but wasn’t there a ninth complete NH90 acquired as a spare parts/maintenance source since there was some doubts on the efficacy of the NH90 spare parts supply chain. A situation which is now hopefully resolved.
So if not already parted out or having major parts removed would ninth NH90 become available? Perhaps allocated to Aotearoa?
In any case it’s hard to imagine many Aotearoa missions where an NH90 would not be required. With the proven ability to lift a container weighing several tonnes the NH90 is just what an AOR vessel needs.
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Post by nighthawknz on Dec 29, 2019 14:56:35 GMT 12
Why would Aotearoa only have limited helo maintenance in its hangar? This large ship would appear to have a largish hangar space so with appropriate spares could manage a significant level of NBh90 maintenance. I know there are few NH90 airframes, eight in active service but wasn’t there a ninth complete NH90 acquired as a spare parts/maintenance source since there was some doubts on the efficacy of the NH90 spare parts supply chain. A situation which is now hopefully resolved. So if not already parted out or having major parts removed would ninth NH90 become available? Perhaps allocated to Aotearoa? In any case it’s hard to imagine many Aotearoa missions where an NH90 would not be required. With the proven ability to lift a container weighing several tonnes the NH90 is just what an AOR vessel needs. When I say limited... it basically means with what parts available on board and what needs maintaining on the helo... (including what can be flown to meet the ship etc) you probably not going to do a full engine rebuild... and test flights of new engine??? or a full refit of the helo... which still comes under maintenance... ie; a deep maintenance period... therefore I say limited... thats all I mean by that... ;-) You also have to remember that our NH-90's are not marinised so the more they are used at sea the more corrosion (as well as possible rougher landings) and maintenance will be needed. |
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Post by TS on Dec 30, 2019 7:58:45 GMT 12
Ya would have thought that the powers to be, would have protected them from salt spray???
I mean to say NZ is long and relatively narrow, salt spray drifts across NZ every time we get a bloody good storm... lol.
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Post by nighthawknz on Dec 31, 2019 13:22:05 GMT 12
Ya would have thought that the powers to be, would have protected them from salt spray??? I mean to say NZ is long and relatively narrow, salt spray drifts across NZ every time we get a bloody good storm... lol. you would think that but here we are... that cost extra money and they were ordered at a time when defence cut backs were being made left right and centre. |
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Post by dgd911 on Jan 1, 2020 18:52:12 GMT 12
Ya would have thought that the powers to be, would have protected them from salt spray??? I mean to say NZ is long and relatively narrow, salt spray drifts across NZ every time we get a bloody good storm... lol. Yes, you would have thought so... but.. Canterbury just took an NH90 south to Campbell island where it did some lifting work. The mission for weather station building removal, DOC conservation work etc, needed the NH90. From the NZDF video of the mission it appears the NH90 worked from calm sea conditions and on mission completion was quickly folded up and stashed in hangar. Perhaps some salt spray protection measures were done before the mission or maybe a good wash down was sufficient on mission completion. if NH90s are slated to see more sea missions then you’d think some marinisation measure would be necessary. even if it’s only to one or two of the fleet |
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Post by nighthawknz on Jan 29, 2020 17:41:36 GMT 12
AOTEAROA as she commences contractor sea trial Tried and tested. It’s the home straight for AOTEAROA as she commences contractor sea trials this month off the coast of South Korea. Final works and confirmation trials will follow, and then she’ll be delivered to New Zealand in the middle of the year.  |
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Post by nighthawknz on Feb 11, 2020 16:02:59 GMT 12
Rolling in the deep. Our newest ship Aotearoa is undergoing her final sea trials off the coast of South Korea in preparation for her sail to New Zealand. This allows the crew to get acquainted with their new ship and her capabilities and for the ship to show what she’s got.  |
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Feb 11, 2020 18:35:16 GMT 12
Would a vessel such as this be a big task for the crew to come to grips with?
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Post by nighthawknz on Feb 11, 2020 19:26:14 GMT 12
Would a vessel such as this be a big task for the crew to come to grips with? This is also part of the sea trials... get the crew use to the new systems, how she handles, etc... I can't see too many crew and learning or coming to grips issues... She has a similar size crew as HMNZS Endeavour... and they have been training with the over in the UK to keep up the skills for RAS and refueling. |
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 12, 2020 7:23:53 GMT 12
She shall be a great addition to the NZ Navy. Rather pugnacious don't you think ? Perhaps as a fallback "HMNZS Bulldog"?
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Post by nighthawknz on Feb 12, 2020 11:15:31 GMT 12
She shall be a great addition to the NZ Navy. Rather pugnacious don't you think ? Perhaps as a fallback "HMNZS Bulldog"? why do you say that? |
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Post by Calum on Feb 12, 2020 13:32:14 GMT 12
What's the idea of vertical bow. Does it no favors in the looks department  |
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Post by nighthawknz on Feb 12, 2020 16:03:18 GMT 12
What's the idea of vertical bow. Does it no favors in the looks department Aotearoa will be the world’s first naval ship to adopt Rolls-Royce’s Environship concept design, which includes a new wave-piercing hull for reduced resistance and fuel consumption. I think it is called a Environship bulbous axe-bow... or something... I has nothing to do with ice breaking like I have read else where on other sites... Who cares what it looks like as long as if it does the job? |
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Post by Mustang51 on Feb 12, 2020 18:25:19 GMT 12
By pugnacious I mean that it looks the part ! Snub nosed, thick set....its not a 'girly" ship in anyone's imagination. Some navy vessels look like they would be "happier" cruising the Barrier Reef with a load of tourists than going the hard yards.
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Post by Calum on Feb 13, 2020 13:29:09 GMT 12
What's the idea of vertical bow. Does it no favors in the looks department Aotearoa will be the world’s first naval ship to adopt Rolls-Royce’s Environship concept design, which includes a new wave-piercing hull for reduced resistance and fuel consumption. I think it is called a Environship bulbous axe-bow... or something... I has nothing to do with ice breaking like I have read else where on other sites... Who cares what it looks like as long as if it does the job? Thanks for the explanation. BTW not saying I cared just that it doesn't do anything for it's looks. |
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Post by mcmaster on Feb 13, 2020 14:58:57 GMT 12
Looking forward to seeing her in big seas.
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Post by chis73 on Feb 13, 2020 15:16:56 GMT 12
By pugnacious I mean that it looks the part ! Snub nosed, thick set....its not a 'girly" ship in anyone's imagination. Some navy vessels look like they would be "happier" cruising the Barrier Reef with a load of tourists than going the hard yards. LEADGE bow (short for Leading Edge). Simple explanation here.if you're interested. |
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Post by nighthawknz on Feb 13, 2020 16:28:34 GMT 12
By pugnacious I mean that it looks the part ! Snub nosed, thick set....its not a 'girly" ship in anyone's imagination. Some navy vessels look like they would be "happier" cruising the Barrier Reef with a load of tourists than going the hard yards. LEADGE bow (short for Leading Edge). Simple explanation here.if you're interested. It is, but it isn't, but its not, but it kind of is but it is it's own thing... ... due to the fact the a "LEADGE bow or Axe bow" is a non-bulbous bow... HMNZS Aotearoa does have a type of bulbous bow which is where all the confusion is... Which you can see in this pic during construction... it's just not protruding forward  And on a side note... Descovered something a little annoying... Apparently Aotearoa will be fitted for, but not will all her weapon systems... (which to be honest does not surprise me one bit... document I read (which I cannot find now... ) and dated earlier when the designs were first released basically said was going to have them installed so that has changed. So who knows... Linky link (page 4) fyi.org.nz/request/5732/response/19648/attach/3/OIA%202017%202724%20Liam%20Stoneley%20ships%20in%20the%20RNZN%20signed.pdf |
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Post by Hoffy on Feb 13, 2020 19:56:21 GMT 12
Definitely a good looking ship - brand new always looks good.
This ship will be a supply ship/oiler right?
Just a shame she will not be servicing anything with really sharp teeth.
Definitely a welcome addition to any joint exercises with the RAN I guess but who knows what the future may bring.
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