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Post by agalbraith on Jan 10, 2018 14:29:40 GMT 12
Maybe Snap-on could sponsor it?? LOL
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jan 10, 2018 15:33:51 GMT 12
My 2 cents: Canberra out into secondary hangar, Bristol Freighter and Andover on proper display in museum. I like the A4, Vildebeest and SBD ideas.
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Post by saratoga on Jan 10, 2018 15:39:56 GMT 12
They've got a Leyland Hippo refueller stashed away somewhere, that could be set up with Canberra,Vampire,Skyhawk,anything largish from 60's-8o's,and the Hippo is such a cute vehicle, who wouldn't like it!..  |
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Post by baz62 on Jan 10, 2018 16:06:37 GMT 12
Yes these are good ideas. I really enjoyed looking at the Dauntless wreck it really looked like a big chunk of jungle and the Dauntless had been uplifted right out of the islands. I too enjoyed the Devon when it was maintenance mode.
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Post by madmac on Jan 10, 2018 17:39:01 GMT 12
I'd also like to see one of the Skyhawks set up in a maintenance display with all of the access panels open/removed, on jacks, tail off and the engine in the process of being removed. Just like you would have seen in AMS at Ohakea or 1RD at Woodbourne back in the day. I also find aircraft in bits far more informative than all closed up. If they could do another older aircraft type under maintenance to include displays of fabric replacement, wood work etc would balance it nicely. I will also vote for the crashed Dauntless display. The Catalina fuse could be displayed as tied to the dock / pontoon / launch (can't remember what was actually used) so you can actually look in the hatches & windows. |
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jan 11, 2018 6:58:38 GMT 12
My 2 cents: Canberra out into secondary hangar, Bristol Freighter and Andover on proper display in museum. I like the A4, Vildebeest and SBD ideas. Once they have the full use of the C&E Hall they will be able to display all of the existing complete airframes and several other large objects (like vehicles). |
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Post by vs on Jan 11, 2018 9:34:31 GMT 12
Be good to see the Avenger displayed with its wings spread. Shame they can't get the 727. Is there a ex RNZAF DC6 still in Africa? The NASM have a great display of the forward fuse that you can look in.
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Post by obiwan27 on Jan 11, 2018 11:51:40 GMT 12
I agree with Don's Skyhawk undergoing maiantenance display suggestion, as well as the Dauntless/Pacific aircraft in some kind of diaorama setting. I'd like to see the Avenger displayed with one wing unfolded and one folded. Perhaps the Bristol could have the doors at the front opened with a vehicle positioned on the ramp.
For aircraft interiors, rather than cutting up a rare aircraft, use VR technology. Film the interior, convert to VR and purchase some headsets for punters to use. Alternatively and perhaps more cost effective set up a booth with a large screen set up in such a way that it is possible to view, such as the 360 degree videos on You Tube. A couple of examples of this below.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Jan 11, 2018 13:26:34 GMT 12
I agree with Don on the skyhawk display and a "diorama" of a SWPA airfield showing maintenance being carried out in the open. The Devon maintenance diorama was excellent and at least
the groundies were on display!
The BI(8) Canberra has worried me for some time as it languishes outside with no protection. It should be assembled and painted to represent an RNZAF BI(12).
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jan 11, 2018 13:31:37 GMT 12
I would like to see some walk around videos done of the various aircraft in the collection, preferably narrated by people who flew or working on them (that way the history and stories are recorded for posterity). People who live overseas or can't personally visit the museum can then experience the museum in a virtual sense. Various overseas museums are doing this now and they are great (Kermie Cam, Flying Heritage Museum are good examples). I'd love to do an A-4 walkaround and tell some stories.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jan 11, 2018 13:33:17 GMT 12
I agree with Don on the skyhawk display and a "diorama" of a SWPA airfield showing maintenance being carried out in the open. The Devon maintenance diorama was excellent and at least the groundies were on display! The BI(8) Canberra has worried me for some time as it languishes outside with no protection. It should be assembled and painted to represent an RNZAF BI(12). The fuselage is stored in 2 or 3 hangar Paul and has been for some time. The rest of the aircraft is still outside and is not in great condition unfortunately. |
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Post by TS on Jan 11, 2018 13:46:11 GMT 12
All good ideas to me.  What also would be good but will never happen I guess?? Is to have open days and run them up.( Why they decided to stop it I'll never Know... Cost/ budget again  ) I know what people here will say but come on just look at the crowds they get in the UK or anywhere else that Museums do this. Cause every time I have been to Wigram you could shot a rifle in the hall and not hit anyone. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 11, 2018 14:06:22 GMT 12
I would like to see some walk around videos done of the various aircraft in the collection, preferably narrated by people who flew or working on them (that way the history and stories are recorded for posterity). People who live overseas or can't personally visit the museum can then experience the museum in a virtual sense. Various overseas museums are doing this now and they are great (Kermie Cam, Flying Heritage Museum are good examples). I'd love to do an A-4 walkaround and tell some stories. I agree. I have thought the same thing, especially when Michelle and I did the walk around recording for the WONZ Show I now wish we'd done that for video rather than just audio, although the audio with all the photos still works well. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 11, 2018 14:18:15 GMT 12
I suspect health and safety issues and the cost of insurance are a major factor in not running the engines.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jan 11, 2018 14:18:37 GMT 12
Regularly running aircraft engines requires a very different type of maintenance effort compared to maintaining inhibited and preserved engine/aeroplanes. Its not just the engine and fuel system that has to be reactivated, the hydraulic, pneumatic and electrical systems also have to be serviceable. There is always some risk involved with running engines (fuel/oil leaks/spills, fire, etc.) As much as I would love to see this happening at Wigram, I think there are sufficient flying examples and other museums doing it in NZ to satisfy our wants. The preservation philosophy of the AFM doesn't allow engines to be run on/in airframes. But I would love to see a radial put on the back of the old engine running truck and run occasionally. That is more doable and likely that one that is fitted to an aircraft.
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Post by TS on Jan 11, 2018 14:48:12 GMT 12
Yes I understand the problems that can come from old engines. But to have them running in/on the airframe is much better than on the back of a truck. Just to give you an example when Scott and I launched the HDML Kuparu ( ex RNZN patrol boat built c.1943) and did her first little sea trial on the Kaipara river we went past a factory on the river bank, all the staff were outside having a pre Xmas BBQ, when we went past with the throttles open they all stood up clapped and cheered with huge smiles on their faces and on the return trip she has a sound like no other. ( very cool for us who had put so much work into the restoration)  The sound coming from a moving/ running restored vessel/ aircraft speaks huge volumes to most people. As it covers the whole machine and it's history, just like a Steam Engine does... But if we just had two V8 Foden Diesels on a flat bed truck, it just won't have cut it. What could be better than having people at Wigram cheering and walking around with Smiles on their dials plus actually telling people about it with enthusiasm days or weeks after. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 11, 2018 14:55:15 GMT 12
I think we should be thankful enough that we have places like Ardmore, Omaka, Tauranga, Masterton, Wanaka, etc where we can still go and see WWI and WWII aircraft start, run, flying and display, in this era where costs and regulations could make it all too prohibitive. I like what Wigram does, which is different, and perhaps more reflective and about the history rather than 'living history', so we have the best of both worlds.
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Post by saratoga on Jan 11, 2018 14:58:31 GMT 12
I agree with Don's Skyhawk undergoing maiantenance display suggestion, as well as the Dauntless/Pacific aircraft in some kind of diaorama setting. I'd like to see the Avenger displayed with one wing unfolded and one folded. Perhaps the Bristol could have the doors at the front opened with a vehicle positioned on the ramp. For aircraft interiors, rather than cutting up a rare aircraft, use VR technology. Film the interior, convert to VR and purchase some headsets for punters to use. Alternatively and perhaps more cost effective set up a booth with a large screen set up in such a way that it is possible to view, such as the 360 degree videos on You Tube. A couple of examples of this below. Yep, just like i mentioned earlier. I prefer my museum exhibits in the flesh as such, but given the choice between cutting something up ,or having a digital version yet retaining the actual item , i would tolerate this new fangled techno ology. |
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Post by TS on Jan 11, 2018 15:13:09 GMT 12
I think we should be thankful enough that we have places like Ardmore, Omaka, Tauranga, Masterton, Wanaka, etc where we can still go and see WWI and WWII aircraft start, run, flying and display, in this era where costs and regulations could make it all too prohibitive. I like what Wigram does, which is different, and perhaps more reflective and about the history rather than 'living history', so we have the best of both worlds. Absolutely Dave I agree to a point. But to have and hear some of the more rarer machines run, say only 2-3 times a year must also help with coffers of any museum. It was I think the original plan for MOTAT to have them taxi up and down. Just imagine a running Sunderland, Solent ( not taxiing) etc. ( sorry I digress from Wigram) |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 11, 2018 15:22:22 GMT 12
Don't forget TS that Wigram is a free museum, so more people just means more work but not more money.
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) I know what people here will say but come on just look at the crowds they get in the UK or anywhere else that Museums do this. Cause every time I have been to Wigram you could shot a rifle in the hall and not hit anyone. 
