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Post by ErrolC on Jun 5, 2020 14:37:29 GMT 12
This flight was to mark the announcement |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jun 5, 2020 15:22:35 GMT 12
Great news and long overdue
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Post by madmark on Jun 5, 2020 15:24:11 GMT 12
So I wonder if 40 Sqn are going to pick up SAR now that they have a decent sensor capability?
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Post by gibbo on Jun 5, 2020 16:45:50 GMT 12
So I wonder if 40 Sqn are going to pick up SAR now that they have a decent sensor capability? No, they will pick-up more SAR (as they have always played a part in it) when they actually get that decent sensor capability... 4-5 years away from 'have'. |
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Post by camtech on Jun 5, 2020 16:46:20 GMT 12
This flight was to mark the announcement Took Ron Mark for a ride. He was hanging off the end of the ramp attached to a monkey strap. |
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Post by saratoga on Jun 5, 2020 17:28:58 GMT 12
I think the Green Party need a new spokesperson for Defence. After checking Golriz Ghahraman's credentials (LLB and a BA in Art History) she has less of a background in Defence matters than I do. After claiming the buy is unnecessary they do not bother to offer up any detailed alternative solutions. Argument for arguments sake, just what you'd expect from a lawyer. The Greens don't like attack aircraft. |
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Post by gibbo on Jun 5, 2020 17:51:59 GMT 12
I think the Green Party need a new spokesperson for Defence. After checking Golriz Ghahraman's credentials (LLB and a BA in Art History) she has less of a background in Defence matters than I do. After claiming the buy is unnecessary they do not bother to offer up any detailed alternative solutions. Argument for arguments sake, just what you'd expect from a lawyer. The Greens don't like attack aircraft. Well actually in this report she actually is quoted as saying we should be 'buying smaller aircraft'... OMG how naive is that. On the whole the Greens seem generally supportive of the Herc replacement as they've been sold the HADR capability very strongly under Mark's oversight...he's got the spin about right to sell the spending to the masses. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391812/defence-force-s-1b-spend-unnecessary-greens |
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jun 5, 2020 18:04:54 GMT 12
New Defence Force planes to cost government more than $1.5 billion25 minutes ago Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell, Journalist @rnzjonathan jonathan.mitchell@rnz.co.nz The government is buying more than $1.5 billion worth of new planes for the Defence Force.  NZ Defence Force personnel boarding a Hercules plane. The New Zealand Defence Force is getting a new fleet of Hercules planes, to replace 1960s aircraft. Photo: Supplied / Ministry of Defence Five new Lockheed Martin Super Hercules aircraft would replace the outdated and costly 1960s Hercules fleet, said Defence Minister Ron Mark. The $15.21b project will include a flight simulator for staff training and other supporting infrastructure. Jonathan Mitchell needs to pay more attention to his journalistic accuracy... That's $3b per airframe. I think the A400M would have been a wiser choice... |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 5, 2020 18:13:28 GMT 12
New Defence Force planes to cost government more than $1.5 billion25 minutes ago Jonathan Mitchell Jonathan Mitchell, Journalist @rnzjonathan jonathan.mitchell@rnz.co.nz The government is buying more than $1.5 billion worth of new planes for the Defence Force. NZ Defence Force personnel boarding a Hercules plane. The New Zealand Defence Force is getting a new fleet of Hercules planes, to replace 1960s aircraft. Photo: Supplied / Ministry of Defence Five new Lockheed Martin Super Hercules aircraft would replace the outdated and costly 1960s Hercules fleet, said Defence Minister Ron Mark. The $15.21b project will include a flight simulator for staff training and other supporting infrastructure. Jonathan Mitchell needs to pay more attention to his journalistic accuracy... That's $3b per airframe. I think the A400M would have been a wiser choice... Ssshhh don't tell the Greens. |
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Jun 5, 2020 18:16:10 GMT 12
...and, seeing as I'm on my soapbox, WHY do the "News" channels INSIST on using the phrase "tax-payer's" money when mentioning the price of purchasing Defence Force hardware? What other type of funding do they have? Are we, the public audience, THAT IGNORANT?? FFS! What AGENDA are they pushing?
Rant over.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 5, 2020 21:21:06 GMT 12
I don't know why they need to mention the objections raised last year by the Green party idiots either. Their own government made the decision and signed off the deal. Their objections are void. And pointless. So the media did not need to mention it today, unless they wanted to point out that the government is divided or that the Greens are smegging idiots. You can imagine if there was a humanitarian crisis in NZ the Greens will be quite happy to queue up for aid from the C-130J's that come rescue them.
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Post by alanster on Jun 6, 2020 0:12:22 GMT 12
I remember when the Greens (under Russell Norman) wanted to send Frigates after Japanese whaling vessels in the southern ocean. haha
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Post by ErrolC on Jun 7, 2020 8:35:01 GMT 12
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Post by tbf25o4 on Jun 7, 2020 8:46:51 GMT 12
The sim would have to be "NZ7016G" in accordance with the policy that non-flying instructional airframes carry the suffix "G" to the serial number indicating ground use only
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 7, 2020 14:56:14 GMT 12
That mock up does not look that much longer than the current C-130H's. Is the C-130J-30 sorter than the old original RAF stretched Hercs?  Photo: Ron Cuskelly Collection |
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Post by camtech on Jun 7, 2020 16:46:44 GMT 12
Dave, checking some data shows you are correct - the RAF C-Mk3 is almost identical in overall length to the C-130J-30, in fact the J-30 being 40 mm longer (based on manufacturers figures). The difference is in performance and that is quite significant, when you consider that the C-Mk3 carried extra weight with essentially the same power as the C-Mk1 (C-130H)
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Post by baz62 on Jun 7, 2020 16:50:39 GMT 12
Just did a bit of Googling. So the C130K the RAF have (or rather had) had a 100" extension plug put in front of the wing and an 80" plug behind. That's 15ft total. And the C130J-30 is a C130J with a 15ft fuselage extension. So if a C130K is the same as a C130H in dimensions then you have your answer. Makes sense I suppose as they probably still had the tooling and jigs from the RAF mod.
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Post by baz62 on Jun 7, 2020 16:51:31 GMT 12
Ooooooo snap Camtech!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 7, 2020 18:07:46 GMT 12
Stupid confusing old measurements, I read "100" extension" and was like no way that's 100 feet.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 7, 2020 18:08:58 GMT 12
Must be the angle of that mocked up photo, it does not look as long as all that.
I think these aircraft will prove to be excellent in the RNZAF fleet.
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