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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 9, 2024 6:43:36 GMT 12
The RNZAF has no money, I know.... but it would have been fantastic if they'd convinced Lockheed to sponsor taking the spanking brand new Super Hercules NZ7011 to Oshkosh to show off their latest product and the RNZAF's new capabilities.
That would have been a terrific PR coup, letting tens of thousands of people from around the world walk through and meet the Kiwis who would be representing the RNZAF and also the nation; talking to the public about the responsibilities that New Zealanders meet as Allies of the US armed forces, and the good work they do for communities in NZ and around the Pacific and the world. And the Lockheed staff could be there pushing their products too. This sort of thinking no longer seems to occur.
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Post by tfly on Jul 9, 2024 10:29:53 GMT 12
Or fly across the pond and attend RIAT! I mean the RNZAF have been invited and speaking personally (as an expat Kiwi) I would be mega excited to see one there 😉
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Post by fiftythree on Jul 9, 2024 19:13:16 GMT 12
Now we have two aircraft types in the fleet which can be refueled in flight, will the RNZAF train to us this capability or will it be wasted? The inbound C-130J-30 for RNZAF unfortunately doesn't have inflight refuel (recieve) capability fitted. Quite an oversight I think. |
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Post by nz104 on Jul 9, 2024 20:09:22 GMT 12
It was either the HF Satcom suite or the inflight refuelling. They can't do both as far as i know so they went for the satcom suite for added safety during some ice runs & other operations
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 9, 2024 21:41:45 GMT 12
It was either the HF Satcom suite or the inflight refuelling. They can't do both as far as i know so they went for the satcom suite for added safety during some ice runs & other operations I imagine keeping the crews qualified in IFR would also be an expensive and time-consuming task, better uses of the time. |
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Post by Calum on Jul 10, 2024 14:33:29 GMT 12
Bizarre design that requires that choice. Surely both are critical
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Post by ErrolC on Jul 10, 2024 15:09:13 GMT 12
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Post by machina on Jul 10, 2024 18:34:53 GMT 12
I’m surprised we’re not going for an AAR capability with the new Hercs and the 757 replacements, given we fly to the ice. It strikes me as such a risk to fly those aircraft and the people in them to an airfield so far away in such an environment with a PNR and no diverts. What if the weather turns or a malfunction develops past the PNR? Ditch in the Southern Ocean?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 10, 2024 19:41:42 GMT 12
They don't need long range refuelling if they cannot afford to take them anywhere...
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Post by Deane B on Jul 11, 2024 21:36:59 GMT 12
The RNZAF has no money, I know.... but it would have been fantastic if they'd convinced Lockheed to sponsor taking the spanking brand new Super Hercules NZ7011 to Oshkosh to show off their latest product and the RNZAF's new capabilities. That would have been a terrific PR coup, letting tens of thousands of people from around the world walk through and meet the Kiwis who would be representing the RNZAF and also the nation; talking to the public about the responsibilities that New Zealanders meet as Allies of the US armed forces, and the good work they do for communities in NZ and around the Pacific and the world. And the Lockheed staff could be there pushing their products too. This sort of thinking no longer seems to occur. I think you will find they are not our aircraft yet. I think Lockheed handed over to USAF who are operating until we take over, from what I was told. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 12, 2024 4:04:21 GMT 12
Is that because NZ has not paid the bill?
Or is that because the USAF are training our crews in them, so they are responsible for them till all the crews are qualified?
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Post by camtech on Jul 12, 2024 20:35:22 GMT 12
Normal procedure, where aircraft are purchased through Foreign Military Sales processes. Aircraft may be delivered by US crews, accompanied by NZ personnel.
We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Deane B on Jul 18, 2024 22:08:46 GMT 12
Is that because NZ has not paid the bill? Or is that because the USAF are training our crews in them, so they are responsible for them till all the crews are qualified? As Camtech has said, it how the FMS process works. I think we have a couple of crews deployed with the USAF flying on their planes. |
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Post by camtech on Jul 20, 2024 13:00:15 GMT 12
There are at least two crews, probably more, along with a number of tradesmen working and learning with USAF units.
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Post by tfly on Jul 23, 2024 11:31:57 GMT 12
Worth a watch
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Post by zealman on Jul 23, 2024 11:50:56 GMT 12
Is that because NZ has not paid the bill? Or is that because the USAF are training our crews in them, so they are responsible for them till all the crews are qualified? Is it true that the government is planning to sell 2 of our new C-130J-30s, as per Defence spending cuts? |
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Post by saratoga on Jul 23, 2024 17:37:46 GMT 12
Sounds like malicious rumour.
If true it would show zero commitment to anything resembling a functional defence force.
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Post by gibbo on Jul 23, 2024 17:48:28 GMT 12
Is that because NZ has not paid the bill? Or is that because the USAF are training our crews in them, so they are responsible for them till all the crews are qualified? Is it true that the government is planning to sell 2 of our new C-130J-30s, as per Defence spending cuts? Sounds like rubbish but this Govt is swinging the axe in all directions ...think the 5 will be safe. Besides, care to elaborate on your source?  |
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Post by fiftythree on Jul 31, 2024 19:03:25 GMT 12
Is that because NZ has not paid the bill? Or is that because the USAF are training our crews in them, so they are responsible for them till all the crews are qualified? Is it true that the government is planning to sell 2 of our new C-130J-30s, as per Defence spending cuts? I can't see the government selling two brand new air frames even with recent Defence spending austerity. There would be enormous penalties from Lockheed if we cancelled two frames that are/almost are off the production line. To sell them once purchased would incur massive financial loss too. It's under FMS so we can't sell on a whim. The time it took to broker a State department approved sale would be lengthy. We'd probably have to fly them in the interim to keep them air worthy. A lot of tax payer money wasted for realistically no gain. Even the Greens would probably bulk at it. They don't mind the C-130 purchase as there no weapons and it's got a search and rescue component. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 1, 2024 12:47:10 GMT 12
I do not believe they are even going to sell the old ones. They are up for scrap soon, apart form the one that will go to Wigram.
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