Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document

[yogi]

If I were to guess Dinga I would suggest there is a legitimate reason for the delay, what that reason is though I have nooooo idea..

[Parrotfish]

Bet ya dollars to donuts they are wanting savings in spending and are going to push the razor as much as possible. I fear there will be no improvement in the actual spend.

I can see my late father (the dude on the left side of the Chinese Malay interpreter leaning on his jungle carbine in my avatar) shaking his head. He always said in his 30 years in the army that the powers that be were only interested in taking the spend away and never interested in the mug on the ground (or in the air).

[skyhawkdon]

Maybe they were waiting for the UK to announce their cuts to defence spending and capability so we don't look so bad

[Dinga]

Quote from Dr Mapp

This Government must make important decisions on Defence - decisions which will form our path for decades," Dr Mapp said.

"The role that the Defence Force plays in securing our environment and our people must be understood and properly defined, and the Defence Force given the right tools to do that job. end of quote


We await delvery of these tools

[30sqnatc]

Minister announced on Tuesday it will be out in three weeks with Value-for-Money shortly after

[kiwiscanfly]

Im sure I saw three news say it would be out in the first week of november!

[Naki]

There has been some mention on this thread about obtaining high powered turboprop trainers such as the Super Tucano and PC-21 (another product is the Raytheon T-6 which hasn't been mentioned IIRC) to replace the Airtrainers (and the King Airs - not sure how when they are multi engine trainers?). Whats the point of obtaining such expensive kit if we already own Aermacchis? Simply update these.

No doubt there will be a need to replace the Airtrainers eventually with a glass cockpit and probably turboprop (taking into account that RNZAF wil soon be entirely made up of glass cockpit kerosene burners) aircraft. What about the Grob 120TP - vastly cheaper then the above options and won't require a lower powered primary trainer as a lead in - it even has ejection seats:

www.grob-aircraft.eu/index.php/basic-information.html

Maybe PAC can be convinced to make a turboprop CT-4F, like they did in prototype form with the CT-4A

[davekiwi]

Funny you mention the Grob
Have a look here:

defense-studies.blogspot.com/2010/10/grob-targets-asian-buyers-for-g120tp.html

The have a closer read:

In Indonesia Grob G-120TP is one among three candidates chosen to replace TNI-AU's AS-202 Bravo as a basic trainer with the side by side seating. The other candidates are SIAI Marchetti SF-260TP and Pacific Aerospace CT/4G (photo : Grob Aircraft)

CT 4G

[conman]

Would be great if PAC developed a follow-on aircraft to supercede the CT-4 series which is getting abit long in the tooth. Having a share in a Grob aircraft the long-term customer support is not the best . I would imagine that this type of market could be quite large for a cost effective solution.

[Naki]

Hmm CT-4G ..appears such a model exists (on paper anyway) - its a CT-4E with a Garmin 1000 glass cockpit (as opposed to the Raytheon T-6 glass cockpit in the CT-4F)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAC_CT/4

[phil]

Oct 26, 2010 15:07:12 GMT 12 Naki said:

- it even has ejection seats:

www.grob-aircraft.eu/index.php/basic-information.html

Now were talking. MB MK15B - Only 37kgs! They've come a long way even since the MK10s.

[kiwiscanfly]

So what we want is a new CT-4G, with an ejection seat, and underwing hard-points for weapons sounds like some solid kiwi DIY there

[Dave Homewood]

CT/4's have always had provision for underwing hardpoints, They were designed to have rockets fitted.

Note by the way the official designation has a slash, not a dash, it's CT/4 and not CT-4

[nige]

PM interviewed on Morning Report this morning ... defence review to be released tomorrow.

[phil]

Oct 29, 2010 19:12:40 GMT 12 Dave Homewood said:

Note by the way the official designation has a slash, not a dash, it's CT/4 and not CT-4

Not the manufacturers (http://www.aerospace.co.nz/media-centre/image-gallery/ct-4-airtrainer) and not the Air Force's.

Both are with a dash.

[Dave Homewood]

Hmm, odd, as it seems the more I look the more I see both ways, slash and dash, including back in the 1970's on their Airtrainer sales borchure they use the dash on the cover and the slash inside! Odd that one. So I was half right:

rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=civil&action=display&thread=4154

[Ykato]

More civilian jobs in defence reforms

Sweeping changes to the Defence Force are to be unveiled this week, including plans to farm out scores of jobs now done by uniformed staff to civilians to free up cash for new projects.

The White Paper will also canvass the possible security threats and requirements New Zealand will face in the next two decades and what equipment, personnel, training and other capabilities will be needed to meet them.

full item located here:
www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4292252/More-civilian-jobs-in-defence-reforms

[obiwan27]

I predict that this will end up just being about cost cutting/saving money to pay for the Herk/P3/Frigate replacements required over the next 20 years or so. In other words a damp squib, but with the present state of the economy and government budget cutting mindset it would come as no great surprise to me.

[kiwiscanfly]

This will be to an extent a cost saving exercise but there will still be a increase in the capability of our air force. It may not be new capabilities but an expansion on what we already have such as light tactical transports.

[yogi]

"The paper will also deal with how New Zealand responds to threats, including the rising power of China and the potential for clashes between heavily militarised Asian states, and how it best plays an active role in peacekeeping, security, disaster recovery and other defence-related tasks in the Pacific."

I hope this will not be one of those oh yes we recognise that threat.... but... we arent going to do anything about it scenarios, either that or more likely down play the seriousness of the situation, or more to the point the likely future situation.