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Post by flyinkiwi on Oct 2, 2009 14:20:48 GMT 12
Well the way the UK's debt is mounting, and with the Govt there robbing Peter (the RN & RAF) to pay Paul (UK's Afghanistan campaign), I wouldn't be suprised to see some Typhoons cut back or withdrawn. Perhaps John Key could discuss a new "bargain of the century deal" over a cup of tea with new UK PM David Cameron after the next UK election next year? Or better yet, try and squeeze a better deal out of the French for the Rafale and play the two off against each other! ;D |
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Post by flycookie on Oct 3, 2009 10:38:52 GMT 12
In a serious proposal, that could actually work.
Good thinking, Mr Flyingkiwi.
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Post by nige on Oct 3, 2009 11:37:34 GMT 12
In a serious proposal, that could actually work. It also seems a lot of people think the Grippen would be ideal for NZ. Maybe the Govt could invite the Swedes in for a 3 way? That'll get the competition going and prices down! PSSST .... that may attract Uncle Sam's interest ... they may use their trump card of offering NZ a deal on "dirt cheap" F-16C/D's or E/F Block 60's instead ;D All the Govt needs now is a shady minister to do the negotiations (that Mr Mapp seems too nice to get down and dirty)!  |
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Post by Barnsey on Oct 3, 2009 19:38:21 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 4, 2009 11:51:10 GMT 12
Bring back Winnie! ;D
And as to the UK's defence budget woes - didn't Austria recent end up getting some of the RAF's ordered-but-not-delivered Typhoons for a pretty good deal?
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Post by Naki on Oct 7, 2009 20:41:32 GMT 12
In a serious proposal, that could actually work. It also seems a lot of people think the Grippen would be ideal for NZ. Maybe the Govt could invite the Swedes in for a 3 way? That'll get the competition going and prices down! PSSST .... that may attract Uncle Sam's interest ... they may use their trump card of offering NZ a deal on "dirt cheap" F-16C/D's or E/F Block 60's instead ;D All the Govt needs now is a shady minister to do the negotiations (that Mr Mapp seems too nice to get down and dirty)! Heres an old but interesting article..somebody did appear to favor Gripens (see last paragraph) www.flightglobal.com/articles/1998/11/18/45060/new-zealand-f-16-lease-deal-decision-imminent.html |
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Post by yogi on Oct 8, 2009 12:26:46 GMT 12
It also seems a lot of people think the Grippen would be ideal for NZ. Maybe the Govt could invite the Swedes in for a 3 way? That'll get the competition going and prices down! PSSST .... that may attract Uncle Sam's interest ... they may use their trump card of offering NZ a deal on "dirt cheap" F-16C/D's or E/F Block 60's instead ;D All the Govt needs now is a shady minister to do the negotiations (that Mr Mapp seems too nice to get down and dirty)! Heres an old but interesting article..somebody did appear to favor Gripens (see last paragraph) www.flightglobal.com/articles/1998/11/18/45060/new-zealand-f-16-lease-deal-decision-imminent.htmlahhh... '98 the good ol days.... very interesting thank you naki! |
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Post by yogi on Oct 13, 2009 17:45:07 GMT 12
What is peoples opinion of the JSF?
(I personally think its an overrated sky whale, but hey thats just me....)
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Post by oldnavy on Oct 13, 2009 18:35:44 GMT 12
The F35 in all marks is/will be an outstanding jet. Every sensible air force in the world will have them within a decade or so. I think the thread topic is about what if things were different and NZ played a part in international affairs. We seem to agree that no country should be without fighters, especially not any country claiming to be a member of the 1st World (where 2nd World are former Soviet aligned countries and 3rd World are developing countries). On thread, I suppose the real answer to your question, Yogi, is that the F35 is infinitely superior to anything currently afforded by NZ...  I do not mean to imply NZ is as ill equipped as the poorest of 3rd World nations, but sometimes it's hard to bear the truth. The sooner you lobbyists sort yourselves and get back into the air business the better. My bet is that Australia would welcome some joint participation in an expanded ANZAC F35 force (as suggested by some in this thread earlier.) ;D |
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Post by yogi on Oct 13, 2009 20:12:32 GMT 12
The F35 in all marks is/will be an outstanding jet. Every sensible air force in the world will have them within a decade or so. I think the thread topic is about what if things were different and NZ played a part in international affairs. We seem to agree that no country should be without fighters, especially not any country claiming to be a member of the 1st World (where 2nd World are former Soviet aligned countries and 3rd World are developing countries). On thread, I suppose the real answer to your question, Yogi, is that the F35 is infinitely superior to anything currently afforded by NZ... I do not mean to imply NZ is as ill equipped as the poorest of 3rd World nations, but sometimes it's hard to bear the truth. The sooner you lobbyists sort yourselves and get back into the air business the better. My bet is that Australia would welcome some joint participation in an expanded ANZAC F35 force (as suggested by some in this thread earlier.) ;D Australian eh? nah your opinion doesnt count..... you have to like them since you're gettin im! |
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Post by Parrotfish on Oct 13, 2009 21:12:13 GMT 12
Gripen the way to go for the small air force. Good pricing to.
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Post by oldnavy on Oct 13, 2009 23:53:24 GMT 12
yogi said:
Now there's a well thought out un-bigoted response. BTW Well done on the thread, it has really brought some good ideas out in the open and I hope it will do some good for the RNZAF.
Keep on dreaming...and remember, Australia has an air force whereas your thread is dreaming about getting one.
Read my earlier replies on your thread. My advice would be to get anything even mildly fighter like...something to stop your proud ancestors, the highest per capita number of fighter aces in the world, from turning in their graves with the shame of being in a country with no fighters. ;D
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Post by yogi on Oct 14, 2009 19:27:36 GMT 12
yogi said: Now there's a well thought out un-bigoted response. BTW Well done on the thread, it has really brought some good ideas out in the open and I hope it will do some good for the RNZAF. Keep on dreaming...and remember, Australia has an air force whereas your thread is dreaming about getting one. Read my earlier replies on your thread. My advice would be to get anything even mildly fighter like...something to stop your proud ancestors, the highest per capita number of fighter aces in the world, from turning in their graves with the shame of being in a country with no fighters. ;D lol! yes I am very proud of my thread. thank you. Good luck with your skywhale oldnavy |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 14, 2009 19:53:12 GMT 12
Keep it civil please chaps, I for one welcome the input of our Australian members, especially those as experienced as oldnavy is.
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Post by yogi on Oct 14, 2009 21:42:21 GMT 12
Keep it civil please chaps, I for one welcome the input of our Australian members, especially those as experienced as oldnavy is. You are right thats my bad. my poke at australia was only in jest, and perhaps the green monster coming through.. ;D |
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Post by caromeg on Oct 15, 2009 9:33:59 GMT 12
Dave,
With regards to Aussies.
Its not all ANZAC roses and I know for a fact that the Australians like our troops, but right us off as credible players (can't blame them). I have been in a room when a very senior person (2**) who didnt realise I was a kiwi (I was wearing a suit) blatantly said as much referring to us as a liability. To all those that take offence to this, we do pull our weight - based on our defence resources but in some circumstances this is the truth. We are either a logistics, operational (or sometime political) liability to THEIR interests. They are after all a different nation with diverging focus and priorities.
I have had arguments on operations where Aussies were trying to stop us recieving data given to us by Uncle Sam to the point where even when a permission slip from a very senior person was produced I still had to go see a US person rather than get the data siting on a CD right in front of me. This sort of thing goes on all the time. AS have a policy culture of trying to stuff us up and their staff often vigorously persue this (often as a laugh or to get a bite). We are just as bad in some areas sitting off to the side smugly thinking we know it all. -Why was the LAV project team NOT allowed to talk to the AS LAV project team when they had years of experience operating this equipment?
The point I would like to make is that when all is said and done, Aussies will come through for you and I would argue that this is a good state of affairs as they don't speak and treat other countries like this as they would take it very personally.
I suggest we all (both sides of the Tasman) get a bit thick skinned on this issue as it reflects the real world.
I for one would rather have an Aussie behind me than ANYONE else in the world despite all the sibling shenanigans. (secretly they think the same).
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Post by 30sqnatc on Oct 15, 2009 19:01:35 GMT 12
Dave, I for one would rather have an Aussie behind me than ANYONE else in the world despite all the sibling shenanigans. (secretly they think the same). I would be much happier if the Aussie was in front of me so his/her thick skin could stop the kinetic items first  |
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Post by yogi on Oct 15, 2009 19:05:07 GMT 12
indeed it is all in good fun...
so anyone else have an opinion of the new fangled JSF doohickey?
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Post by caromeg on Oct 15, 2009 19:43:55 GMT 12
30sqnatc
thats the spirit
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Post by flyinkiwi on Oct 16, 2009 8:04:43 GMT 12
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