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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 17, 2008 20:23:35 GMT 12
I don't have any photos of the stored Harvards but I recall seeing them many times at Wigram in the CFS hangar. They were stored with their wings off, and all wrapped up. They were NZ1009, NZ1083 and one other which I cannot recall. Or perhaps part of one other.
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Post by angelsonefive on Nov 17, 2008 20:24:30 GMT 12
While on the subject of the noble N.A. Harvard.........
Can anyone tell me where the pupil pilot sat when doing blind flying training ?
The front seat was the pupil's for visual flying training, of course, but I imagine that when the learner pilot was ' under the hood ' it would be preferable, for safety reasons, for the instructor to be up front.
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Post by Damon on Nov 17, 2008 20:36:33 GMT 12
I believe the 'blind' student sat under an enclosed hood in the rear seat.
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Post by hairy on Nov 17, 2008 20:46:05 GMT 12
Oh, and, another Harvard slide! The Methven one! I was thinking the same thing, I enjoyed that thread. ;D The camo Harvards are at Hobsonville. NZ1015 over Cantebury. NZ1016 NZ1017 NZ1039 - whats the marking on the cowling? NZ1043 at Hobsonville NZ1063 at Ohakea Jan '46 NZ1082 and friends. NZ1084 NZ1088 NZ1095 NZ1100 at Hobsonville NZ1101 at Hobsonville NZ1102 at Hobsonville Quite a hodge-podge of markings and paint jobs.
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Post by hairy on Nov 17, 2008 21:10:21 GMT 12
While on the subject of the noble N.A. Harvard......... Can anyone tell me where the pupil pilot sat when doing blind flying training ? The front seat was the pupil's for visual flying training, of course, but I imagine that when the learner pilot was ' under the hood ' it would be preferable, for safety reasons, for the instructor to be up front. Ray. Going by the handbook, blind flying hoods could be fitted front or rear but were only used in the rear for flight instrument training (thats how I read it anyway).
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Post by harvard1041 on Nov 18, 2008 0:41:15 GMT 12
Great shots Hairy - how did you get these photos ? ...mine are some I took myself as a kid, others from a friend who is a retired RNZAF Photographer - love those early post-war shots - and ones with the sliding rear hood - most of the aircraft had the sliding mechanism 'cut' at production - RHS of the rear hood and then screwed down...keep them coming ! Here's your NZ1083 - Dave - at WB TTS - before going to WG - kinda nice shot with the 727 & Devons in the background. NZ980 in the Playground - which one ? NZ1079 in the Mountains NZ1037 - out of OH. ...and NZ1034 with Blunites. ...keep them coming - see if we can get an entire thread without any mid-1970 dayglo.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Nov 18, 2008 6:42:34 GMT 12
Playground Harvards:
NZ946 - Sold by tender to Horrell Company, Ashburton, to Jaycees for playground at Methven 1967, major components to Ed Billman of Auckland
NZ980 - Sold by tender to Bennett Aviation Ltd, Te Kuiti. To Jaycees for playground at Tauranga Feb63 , removed 1979 and sold Asplin Supplies, scrapped 1980
Nice to see them.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 18, 2008 11:04:22 GMT 12
Superb shots once again there John. No doubt that is NZ1009 behind NZ1083 at Woodbourne?
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Post by tbf25o4 on Nov 18, 2008 12:17:29 GMT 12
Re the harvard differences, All the MKII, MKIII were standard ex factory USAAC/USAAF models AT6 series. However, the MkIIB were canadian built and fitted out to RAF standards with the instrument layout being different and the spade grip control column. This is one of the reasons why these three were not placed into standard training units. Incidentally they were the only Harvards that New Zealand paid for as they were not part of the EATS contract but were provided because the NA factories could not produce aircraft from their production lines at the time they were required! The major modifications post war to MKIIA* and the MKIII upgrades related mainly to avionics fits switching from US to British radios and the conversion of the 12V machines to 24V systems
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Post by angelsonefive on Nov 18, 2008 12:20:02 GMT 12
Damon and hairy, thanks for the information.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 18, 2008 12:35:58 GMT 12
Thanks Paul.
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Post by hairy on Nov 18, 2008 22:16:29 GMT 12
Great shots Hairy - how did you get these photos ? Most are from negatives in my collection. Don't know for sure who the photographer was but I have my suspicions.
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Post by harvard1041 on Nov 19, 2008 0:04:52 GMT 12
Hi Hairy Do keep you photos coming - great record. In the same spirit - here's a couple more. NZ944 at MOTAT - 1973 Some of the Harvards in Storage at Woodbourne - 1973 to 1975 ...and NZ1050 when it first went up on the Pole at Wigram - 1973. ..and it flying back in 1961 rgds Hvd1041
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 19, 2008 0:45:15 GMT 12
NZ1053 is looking a lot better these days!
Awesome photos, I find that photo of MOTAT and especially the colour of the Lodestar very interesting. I thought it had always been in the yellow and white colours.
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 19, 2008 10:44:38 GMT 12
NZ1053 at Classic Fighters 2007 - NZ1037 at the same event -
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Post by harvard1041 on Nov 20, 2008 10:05:53 GMT 12
OK - three more - than some one elses turn.....must be a ton of old Harvard photos out there...older the better. Ohakea - 1976 - Outside 42s hangar - the two FAC Harvards, couple Daks and NZ1076. ..close up on 1076 - was IGGY Wood the boss at the time ? NZ1076 & NZ1037 - recently...what's the funny looking British aircraft in the middle ?..... Rgds Hvd1041
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 20, 2008 13:50:57 GMT 12
Where was that last photo taken? Is that the Mk V Spitfire that Avspecs restored?
What is especially interesting is that NZ1076 wears the Red Checkers cowl in 1976 and yet there was no team that year or for from 1974 to 1981. Ian 'Iggy' Wood was a Flight Lieutenant flying as No. 4 in the 1974-1975 non-team - the team that worked up and practiced but was canned before the display season began.
So I wonder why it is in Red Checkers colours, it cannot be that they just used the cowl as a spare as normal service aircraft didn't have the pilots' names on them either.
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Post by harvard1041 on Nov 20, 2008 14:24:36 GMT 12
Hi Dave No - it's Brendan Deer's Spitfire at Fielding I believe...making pretty good progress - can't say I know much about it - but looks nice ! Not sure why 1076 would have Checkers cowls and a name in 1976 (I was a school kid at the time) - but its possible Checkers cowls (on and off) wasn't as a strict deal as it became in later years...there were a ton of spare cowls around anyway- and with only a couple of years to run with the Harvard - I have a photo taken at Woodbourne in 1975 - below - no Checkers cowl...perhaps they needed another FAC aircraft at OH - and so 'tarted it up' - happens at times. Someone out there will know ? - actually the current owner who has had it at Ohakea and Fielding since he bought it back in 1978 would know.... How about the older photo I posted of 1076 - previous page -all silver - with a pretty unique Vampire in the background ?...any idea anyone ? Here's my favourite Harvard photo however - NZ1041 on 4(F)OTU at Ohakea 1944. Rgds Hvd1041
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Post by Damon on Nov 20, 2008 14:58:59 GMT 12
harvard1041, you really have some gem's there! My favourite of all the schemes was the grey and international orange on the aircraft.Nice to see the original scheme on 1092 in the background.Thank you for sharing them with us.
Damon
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Post by baz62 on Nov 20, 2008 15:22:21 GMT 12
NZ 1087 was one of the Harvards retired in 1977. She went to Woodbourne and gained a WW2 colour scheme. She then came to the RNZAF Museum where we reassembled her and run her to inhibit the engine as seen in this shot taken in 1983. rides.webshots.com/photo/1530599601083531880inyooM?vhost=ridesI built up an engine (basically firewall forward) without the internals (the internals went to a chap restoring a Harvard at Omaka or Woodborne........ NZ1057??) which was supposed to be displayed beside '87 but the descision was taken to swap my engine with the 'airworthy' one in '87 I presume as a spare for NZ1015. NZ1040 is now flying in Queensland in a US Marines colour scheme.
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