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Post by Damon on Nov 20, 2008 19:28:01 GMT 12
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Post by Damon on Nov 20, 2008 19:41:08 GMT 12
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Post by NZ1009 on Nov 23, 2008 8:54:51 GMT 12
Hi - Another Harvard Question, Currently flying in Australia is Harvard VH-TOA, painted as NZ1014 in the last (Dove Grey / Red) colour scheme. Does anyone know if this aircraft is a former RNZAF Harvard and, if so, what its actual RNZAF serial number was as the original NZ1014 was scrapped in 1964. Also any reason why they chose NZ1014? There is a photo at www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=170818&nseq=0To me the side and under-wing numbers look too narrow? Thanks,
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Post by baz62 on Nov 23, 2008 10:15:44 GMT 12
"Currently flying in Australia is Harvard VH-TOA, painted as NZ1014 in the last (Dove Grey / Red) colour scheme. Does anyone know if this aircraft is a former RNZAF Harvard and, if so, what its actual RNZAF serial number was as the original NZ1014 was scrapped in 1964. Also any reason why they chose NZ1014?"
I believe she is actually ex South American in origin with no NZ connection. Baz
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Post by harvard1041 on Dec 5, 2008 12:46:21 GMT 12
Hello - been away for a few days...but here are a couple more Harvard shots. NZ1046 - on 2 OTU as OD-10 4 OTU MK II ...and some MK IIs in Storage ... how about some other 'older' photos...Hairy ? Rgds John.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 5, 2008 14:10:00 GMT 12
All three of those are fantastic shots john, but I love the one in the middle of FE-G.
I wonder where they stored all the engines and why they removed them all.
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Post by baz62 on Dec 5, 2008 14:35:41 GMT 12
All three of those are fantastic shots john, but I love the one in the middle of FE-G. I wonder where they stored all the engines and why they removed them all. Yes those photos are fantastic. And if you look really closely Dave the engines are actually still fitted but all the props have been removed. They would have inhibited the engines before storage and one sure way not to have some plonker turn the engine over(which would disturb the inhibiting oil protecting the bores etc from corrosion) would be to remove the props. Thats my theory though, there might be another reason. Would that be at Wigram? Woodborne? I think Shorty posted a few pics of Mk11 Harvards on a train heading up to the North Island via Cook Strait. Baz
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 5, 2008 14:56:57 GMT 12
I think it is Woodbourne.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 5, 2008 14:59:19 GMT 12
In the background to the left of that hangar, is that Corsair wings sticking up in a row?
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Post by shorty on Dec 5, 2008 15:27:07 GMT 12
Those are the Harvard wings
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 5, 2008 21:43:50 GMT 12
Stored in No. 6 Hangar, Wigram. Taken just prior to the aircraft being broken up.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 8, 2008 13:39:24 GMT 12
So both Woodbourne and Wigram had a hangar full of Haravrds then? I've seen a photo in NZ Wings of a Woody hangar full of them too.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 8, 2008 15:08:33 GMT 12
John,
I recently added a page to my website detailing the RNZAF Lockheed Hudson survivors as a place to gather information collected from here, there and everywhere. I would like to now collate a similar page to gather as much information, memories and photos relating to the many and varied RNZAF aircraft that ended up in playgrounds around the country. Is it ok to please use the photo of the Harvard slide that you posted here? It's the only photo I have seen of that particular playground slide, so it would be appreciated.
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Post by harvard1041 on Dec 9, 2008 11:17:07 GMT 12
Hi Dave
Yes - no problem... hey - I'll trade you any war-time Harvards shots ?
Rgds Hvd1041
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Post by tbf25o4 on Dec 10, 2008 10:30:26 GMT 12
Re the checkered cowls and name on NZ1076.
There has been some confusion on the names that appear on the intake port side of various Harvards. For the final flight of the Harvards at Wigram in June 1977, all 18 flying Harvards had the pilot's name of each who were flying the aircraft on that day. Some of those names were retained when the aircraft were sold. As for the checkered cowl. Occasionally if cowls became unserviceable then spare ones were fitted, and there were serveral instances especially at Wigram during 1976/77 where Harvards had checkered cowls (complete set) or half cowl with checkered markings fitted. There was no point in carrying out a respraying exercise as the aircraft were soon to be retired!
Paul
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Post by harvard1041 on Dec 26, 2008 21:18:04 GMT 12
Hi Paul
Can't say I've ever seen a partial 'checkered & non-checkered' cowl on a Harvard - but of course it is possible.
There were a ton of spare cowls around however - I recall seeing the Harvard Red Checkers ones out at Weedons in the mid 1980s - full set for all the aircraft on the CFS team... just sitting there...maybe they are still there ?...in with the 727 Flight Controls removed from 7273.
Many of the Harvard cowls are actually old MK II cowls - you can see the patch on the RHS where the exhaust duct was in a slightly different location to the MK IIAs & MK IIIs. I think the only real problem with the cowls was the odd loose or missing rivet or the entire cowl stretching and not being enough travel left on the tightening turnbuckles inside each section... in which case a bit of a rebuild might be the only answer.
When 1076 was sold it didn't have the Checkered cowl or name on it...I suspect all the Checkers cowls were removed for the sale - and they were the ones I recall at Weedons.
Was anyone here at the Sale of the Harvards ?...only ever heard about it second hand...what prices did they go for ? I've heard $4000 - $5000 for a good flying one...a bargain.
Rgds Hvd1041
PS - Merry Christmas to one and all by the way !
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Post by Damon on Dec 26, 2008 21:43:20 GMT 12
Problem is in finding a servicible time machine!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 26, 2008 21:55:58 GMT 12
It would be neat if the Museum could mount one of the genuine Red Checkers Harvard cowls on a wall for a display.
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Post by Freighter5910 on Dec 27, 2008 17:16:16 GMT 12
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Post by harvard1041 on Dec 27, 2008 19:49:21 GMT 12
Hi Steve
You may be right about the photos - and apologies if you are.....you seem to have recorded exact dates etc...and that second shot is a mighty good one !
I was at TTS & ARS for parts of 1983 & 84 - and used to wander over to the 727 & Harvards often - and took several photos.
The 727 eventually got broken up....and 1051 & 1038 ended up at Omaka and stored under some pine trees when they were bought. 1051 ended up with Lyndon Knowles...and is now with Judy Pay in Australia...1038 with Greg Ryan I think... does he still have it ? ...was kinda stripped out last time I saw it.
...anyway - apologies if they are your photos... I've several hundred Harvard shots.
However - did you have some more you could post there Steve ?
Rgds Hvd1041
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