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Post by longforgan on May 11, 2012 8:47:55 GMT 12
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Post by longforgan on May 7, 2012 21:48:12 GMT 12
I have spent sometime now looking into what is available on the 489 and if people on this site and others are prepared to help I would like to do a history on the squadron. The format I would use would be similar to the 485 and 486. So it would be case bound on a coated stock not on offset as the present one.
I have been in the printing and Marketing industry for the last 30 years and have been involved in publishing and producing books. The most successful of these was the book "Port to Port - a pictorial history of Ahuriri' which I wrote and produced myself. It had two additions and sold over 3500 copies. The other books I have been involved with are all history book about Napier. I am 3/4 of the way through doing a follow up of the Port to Port which I will eventually print through China with a similar print run of 3500.
If any out there is willing to help with this idea could they please contact me.
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Post by longforgan on May 6, 2012 21:27:55 GMT 12
Hi Gunny as you can see from the quote attached that some of the members that supplied information are upset that the book was not made available to the public. It is quite interesting. A long time ago the author contacted me and asked where he could find certain information on his father's squadron because he was writing a book on his father. I directed him to a number of sources and after some correspondence he contacted me and told me that he had changed tack and was going to write about the squadron. I felt he was trustworthy and that it was a worthwhile project so I connected him with a few veterans that I had met over the years. In return he promised me a copy of the book. When it was published he told me that he wouldn't give me one because they were all going to veterans and 'he had no intention of giving copies to collectors' - I reminded him of his promise and his response was that "everyone says that' - the only difference is that I have his emails still when he expressed great delight in being told about certain individuals. The book was not written by him - it was written by the veterans and edited into the book. This stuff about issues with the copyright are simply self imposed - I have spoke to many who are offended that the information they provided is being restricted in its distribution. If you think about it the book would not have been possible if Burrows had not been give the information by the veterans and yet that is all that others want - access to the information. To have a copy and to enjoy it and share it with others. Thats why people buy books. It is not as if he served on the squadron and owned the experiences and the information. I have been given a few copies on permanent load by veterans who were offended by his stance. I have also picked up a few new 486 manuscripts written by members of the squadron - the editor is writing another book (using the same approach of getting the info from the squadron members) and these manuscripts would be very useful and I am not adverse to giving him access - my purpose has always been to collect the information about what has been written so that it does no disappear after a few generations. That why I published the bibliography and collected all the manuscripts I have - to share with researchers and authors. The situation is more sad than odd and does our veterans a dis-service in my mind. I have spent sometime now looking into what is available on the 489 and if people on this site and others are prepared to help I would like to do a history on the squadron. The format I would use would be similar to the 485 and 486. So it would be case bound on a coated stock not on offset as the present one. I have been in the printing and Marketing industry for the last 30 years and have been involved in publishing and producing books. The most successful of these was the book "Port to Port - a pictorial history of Ahuriri' which I wrote and produced myself. It had two additions and sold over 3500 copies. The other books I have been involved with are all history book about Napier. I am 3/4 of the way through doing a follow up of the Port to Port which I will eventually print through China with a similar print run of 3500. If any out there is willing to help with this idea could they please contact me.
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Post by longforgan on May 2, 2012 9:58:41 GMT 12
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Post by longforgan on May 1, 2012 20:38:07 GMT 12
OH DEAR! I was looking forward to reading it.
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Post by longforgan on May 1, 2012 20:17:06 GMT 12
Just managed to get my hands on this really excited. That means I now have 485, 486 wild winds and spitfire the NZ story. All I need is the 489.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 26, 2012 19:44:35 GMT 12
Davidnzl why publicize a book you are writing on the history of one of New Zealand's squadrons when it is really a private book not released to the general public. I just can't get my head around this attitude you have towards not sharing it.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 25, 2012 22:07:47 GMT 12
thats it finished this one. Thought I might try something from 487 squadron next
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Post by longforgan on Apr 24, 2012 21:00:27 GMT 12
would either of the crew be still alive?
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Post by longforgan on Apr 23, 2012 20:41:26 GMT 12
Thanks Mcfly these are great photos. The info just add to the painting. Have you got any more? These will help me redo the faces of the crew.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 22, 2012 16:50:28 GMT 12
Dauntless NZ5057 of the RNZAF 25 squadron landing at Piva on Bougainville. The Dauntless taken over as new aircraft February-March 1944. BOC with No.25 Servicing Unit on 24 February 1944. Ferried to Bougainville for use with No.25 Squadron, arriving at Piva on 23 March 1944. Named "HOWA-BAHT-THAT-HIC thing!" Returned to US Marine Corps at Russell on 20 May 1944. close up of the Dauntless
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Post by longforgan on Apr 22, 2012 9:30:18 GMT 12
here is the painting basically finished but not sure of the pilot, doesn't look right.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 21, 2012 0:46:57 GMT 12
Could anyone confirm which colour the shirts worn by the fight crews in the Pacific. Were the light blue or karki
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Post by longforgan on Apr 13, 2012 21:42:17 GMT 12
I have finished blocking in the aircraft and had a little play with toning down the trees. What I will do next is creates a mistor fog in the trees to bring the plane forward. Before adding the detail and more shadowwing under the wings of the plane and the shadow of the plane on the sand. Note: the roundel is just the base colour.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 8, 2012 17:36:17 GMT 12
thats it for the day 6 hours and time for a whisky.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 8, 2012 13:58:48 GMT 12
Calum its a really good book thats why i want it. I just can't understand why it can't be reprinted. Good grief I wrote a book on the history of Port Ahuriri Napier and I have run a second edition and sold 3,600. Perhaps I should re-write the book on 489 and sell it. When I wrote The book PORT TO PORT pictorial history of Ahuriri Napier I was given some 200 photographs from the residents of the area I had permission to publish these as the people wanted their family and area history told. The difference was I had no funding and with two edition printed it cost me a total of $80,000 to do. I probably broke even half way through the second edition. What I believe that anyone who is given material from the people involved has an obligation to place the finished publication into the public arena so thier stories and history ca be read and pasted down to the younger generation so that they may learn from the sacrafice others have been through. I find it a shame that this has been not been done in this case. Question: what if someone decided to re - write the history of the 489 would the few remaing vet's back it?
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Post by longforgan on Apr 8, 2012 11:42:22 GMT 12
Here is one I'm working on. The 25 NZ Squadron was based Piva on Bougainville,the painting shows number 57 dauntless returning from a raid. The canvas is 720x550 I have started putting in the tropical rain forest which I have tried to blur to create movment showing the Dauntless landing. forground now blocked in.May still have to do so work on shadowing under the aircraft This it as of ioday
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Post by longforgan on Apr 8, 2012 11:16:38 GMT 12
thats great if you live in Auckland. I watched the DVD wich came out I think during the launch of the the book and found it very emotional.
I would like to know what the copyright issues are in reprinting the book!
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Post by longforgan on Apr 7, 2012 23:41:48 GMT 12
Calum its a really good book thats why i want it. I just can't understand why it can't be reprinted. Good grief I wrote a book on the history of Port Ahuriri Napier and I have run a second edition and sold 3,600. Perhaps I should re-write the book on 489 and sell it.
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Post by longforgan on Apr 6, 2012 23:04:44 GMT 12
Trying to find a copy of the No 489 Torpedo Bomber Squadron by David Burrowes. I have tried the author and 489 Association but have had no joy. The association said David is very emphatic that the few remaining books are to be retained for surviving 489’ers or immediate next of kin. Also they said . "We are not able to do a reprint due to copyright issues."
Has anyone know where I could pick one up.
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