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Post by skyhawkdon on Feb 24, 2012 6:47:55 GMT 12
I believe Skyhawk NZ6257 is getting a spruce up for the show so will be on display. I expect the same with a Macchi. They could put all 16 of them on display as they are all still at Ohakea!
Yes the airfield attack was always a great party trick for the airshows of the past. I wonder if the RAAF will not be providing one with the F-18s like they did for Wanaka in 2010?
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Post by mumbles on Feb 24, 2012 7:08:39 GMT 12
Would Wellington people do it as a day trip? Yes. I'm in Wellington and OH is a shade under two hours drive from Wellington depending on the traffic. |
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 24, 2012 7:34:12 GMT 12
...Yes the airfield attack was always a great party trick for the airshows of the past. I wonder if the RAAF will not be providing one with the F-18s like they did for Wanaka in 2010? I'm sure a 'tactical demonstration' is in the justification given to the high-ups! More convincing when it is part of mountain-flying training, however. |
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 24, 2012 7:49:36 GMT 12
How far is it to drive from Auckland to Ohakea? Google Maps gives (from One Tree Hill) 500km and just over 6 hours driving time. As that time tends to be conservative, anything from 5.5 to 7.5, depending on breaks (while keeping basically legal). |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Feb 24, 2012 9:19:50 GMT 12
Six hours driving is a fair estimate for Auckland to Ohakea. You can drive to Wellington at legal speeds in roughly eight and a half to nine hours.
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Post by nige on Feb 24, 2012 9:52:58 GMT 12
Yippee and cheers Don for the reply! How does that work again ? I have been on the organising committee of at least two RNZAF airshows... I am wondering what some of the others here actually know about them. Hey BB (or anyone else), I was wondering does the RNZAF have to seek Govt approval regarding inviting other nation's air forces and even the types of aircraft? For example could the RNZAF invite the USAF to bring over a B-52 or would the Govt make the call on what is (politically) acceptable or not? Or does it depend on which Party is in Govt ;D |
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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 24, 2012 10:36:28 GMT 12
I honestly could not answer that one. There will be various protocols in place for any military visits anyway. Normally an Operational Order or Admin Order would be raised and circulated to inform all the various agencies involved.
This would have detailed info such as the aircraft details, Ports of arrival, Itinerary, timings, and where known crew numbers and names etc.
You could imagine CAA, Customs, Immigration as well as the various agencies within NZDF would want to part of this preparation.
It would be a standard pro-forma raised for any international flight for the most part.
I have never been involved in raising one but I am sure one of the junior aircrew members of the flight would get the pleasure of doing that.
Any invites would be done as normal 'friendly neighbours' Air Staff activity.
Obviously much would be sounded out by phone calls etc first before putting pen to paper.
There will be a sizeable Admin Order for activities on the day.
It will detail exactly all accommodation, rationing, vehicle etc requirements. Basically planned to the last letter.
The planning committee will have input from all interested parties anyway so normally everyone is kept up with the play.
Going back to the B-52, I would imagine that they it would certainly have some level of input at Headquarters level. The Gov't runs the military anyway so has a major say on what goes on.
Yes, they would want to know what countries are involved and the level of that involvement.
One of the ones I can think back to had a security scare on the day.
We had been noticing a stranger in Junior Officer uniform appearing at various outings but he always fled when about to be challenged.
You can imagine what went on when I spotted the green Corolla hatchback JW**** parked at the base of the Base Ops (Control Tower) at the height of the show.
The security team swung into action effortlessly as they obviously had planned for such a thing.
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Post by typerated on Feb 24, 2012 10:55:29 GMT 12
I imagine any US "combat" aircraft would fall foul of our no Nukes policy.
Not worth the possible hassle for an airshow.
Think of the bad PR a B-52 could generate!
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 24, 2012 11:13:05 GMT 12
I imagine any US "combat" aircraft would fall foul of our no Nukes policy. Not worth the possible hassle for an airshow. Think of the bad PR a B-52 could generate! Remember that the no-nukes law doesn't require the visitors to make any specific declaration. The NZ PM decides whether to allow a visit. So if current US policy prohibits deploying nukes overseas (not sure if this is the case), then the no-nuke law doesn't have to be an issue. www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1987/0086/latest/DLM115146.html10 (2) The Prime Minister may only grant approval to the landing in New Zealand by any foreign military aircraft if the Prime Minister is satisfied that the foreign military aircraft will not be carrying any nuclear explosive device when it lands in New Zealand. |
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Post by typerated on Feb 24, 2012 11:21:14 GMT 12
The problem is mainly warships which don't declare if they are or not.
I was thinking about the media though.
Can imagine them calling it a B-52 nuclear bomber.
It would be headline news and bad PR for the air force and the USAF
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Post by pilotpotters on Feb 24, 2012 11:26:54 GMT 12
Ironically this is now creating a slight logistic headache of it's own in wanting to come up to see what may be a practice day on the 30th, go to the forum meet that night, then come back the next day for the show. We might wind up staying with family in Palmy  Yeah I gave in and booked accom in Palmy. Wasnt going to work zipping to/from WGN . Question for you. Practise day, where is a good possy? I take it no base entrance allowed on the friday. I want to park up and just cruise through the day watching with the camera gear. Any tips much appreciated cheers potters |
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 24, 2012 11:31:05 GMT 12
Aircraft don't declare either. Those C-17s at Chch could be taking nukes down to the ice - except that we know they don't, for various reasons.
Ships shouldn't be a problem currently (in the strict sense of the law, rather than public perception), stated US policy is that nuclear weapons are not carried on other than SSBNs, although many other warships are nuclear-capable.
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Post by mumbles on Feb 24, 2012 11:37:15 GMT 12
The problem is mainly warships which don't declare if they are or not. I was thinking about the media though. Can imagine them calling it a B-52 nuclear bomber. It would be headline news and bad PR for the air force and the USAF Nobody better tell them we operated a fleet of nuclear bombers for 31 years then  Point of note though, all USAF fighter aircraft are capable of carrying nuclear weapons; any of them visiting here could potentially run foul of those wanting to make a point via the anti nuclear legislation. The more you delve into it, the more laughable it gets. I would wager C-17's routinely transport nuclear weapons. I think a B-1 would clear all the hurdles with ease though. They haven't been tasked or equipped for a nuclear role for some time. As an aside, since 1991 US warships that aren't carriers or ballistic missile submarines (i.e. most of them) haven't embarked nuclear weapons anyway, and as most of them are non-nuclear propelled, the reasons they have not visited have been political rather than legal for years now. |
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Post by Chris F on Feb 24, 2012 11:38:16 GMT 12
Boy you guys are in for a treat at this show...sounds pretty cool.
I will be missing it...sad but true and will only just be home from the 3rd cricket test against South Africa.
We are going to the USA in October and will get to be at Fleet week in San Francisco....already have seats for the Saturday Airshow...star attractions...Blue Angels,F-15E,B-2 WOW factor plus...also the carrier Carl Vinson will be in the Bay.
Then we are off to Las Vegas and out to Rachel to Area51,then to Nellis and hopefully to see some awesome aircraft there as well.
Then to LA and disneyland for a week of R&R.
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Post by typerated on Feb 24, 2012 11:45:50 GMT 12
When was the last time a US combat type visited NZ?
since ANZUS crashed and burned?
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Post by mumbles on Feb 24, 2012 11:48:14 GMT 12
Ironically this is now creating a slight logistic headache of it's own in wanting to come up to see what may be a practice day on the 30th, go to the forum meet that night, then come back the next day for the show. We might wind up staying with family in Palmy Yeah I gave in and booked accom in Palmy. Wasnt going to work zipping to/from WGN . Question for you. Practise day, where is a good possy? I take it no base entrance allowed on the friday. I want to park up and just cruise through the day watching with the camera gear. Any tips much appreciated cheers potters There are a couple of emergency access crash-gates on the north (Frecklington Road) and south (Bailey Road) sides of the field that were handy last time (2010), remembering of course to park away from the gate itself, and there are roads that pass both ends of 27/09 (Tangimoana and Fagan). This was a couple of years ago now, so accessibility may have changed. These are all public roads, as far as I am aware there are no issues with trespassing. The old viewing area off SH1 is now inside the base gates, so off limits. |
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Post by mumbles on Feb 24, 2012 11:52:40 GMT 12
When was the last time a US combat type visited NZ? since ANZUS crashed and burned? ANZUS '84 exercise I would think. |
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Post by skyhawkdon on Feb 24, 2012 11:57:33 GMT 12
Yep TRIAD 84 was the last time - they sent AWACS, KC-135 tankers, F-15s and F-16s.
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Post by ErrolC on Feb 24, 2012 12:04:25 GMT 12
When was the last time a US combat type visited NZ? since ANZUS crashed and burned? Tragically I doubt that the USMC will bring one of their Harvest HAWK add-ons on their Herc. |
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Post by typerated on Feb 24, 2012 18:20:27 GMT 12
When was the last time a US combat type visited NZ? since ANZUS crashed and burned? Tragically I doubt that the USMC will bring one of their Harvest HAWK add-ons on their Herc. No it's a tanker instead |
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