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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 13, 2011 18:30:39 GMT 12
That Ventura crashed years ago. It was rebuilt but remains static only. Sad to say there are none flying anywhere in the world.
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Post by jonesy on Sept 14, 2011 16:48:41 GMT 12
I'm sure something like this would be a crowd-pleaser:
But possibly not this...:
Results of time wasting trawling youtube...
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 10:02:42 GMT 12
ACC statement about reduction of single-ship demo teams in 2012
We face significant fiscal constraints and are making tough decisions about the best ways to continue providing combat airpower to warfighting commanders, which is what we do as the Air Force’s primary force provider.
One decision we’ve made is to sponsor one single-ship demonstration team for the 2012 air show season, scaling back from the six teams we’ve historically sponsored – A-10 East & West, F-16 East & West, F-15E and F-22.
For the 2012 season, we’re sponsoring our F-22 demonstration team to perform at up to 20 shows. In addition to the F-22 demonstration team, the Thunderbirds are set to complete a full season next year, and their schedule will be announced next week at the International Council of Air Shows conference.
Reducing the number of single-ship demonstration teams will allow us to reallocate more than 900 sorties to our wings so they can maximize their flying hours for combat readiness training, offsetting some of the reduction we’ve seen in flying hours. Most importantly, reallocating those sorties will provide an increase in more than 25 combat-ready fighter pilots – that’s a very good thing for our Nation and wise stewardship of our limited resources.
The opportunity to showcase our aircrew at air shows around the country is important – and we’re confident our Thunderbirds, F-22 demonstration team and the Air Force Heritage Flight Foundation will continue highlighting the extraordinary work of all our Airmen.
No chance of US fast pointy things flying in NZ then
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Post by Ykato on Dec 10, 2011 19:58:49 GMT 12
ACC statement about reduction of single-ship demo teams in 2012 We face significant fiscal constraints and are making tough decisions about the best ways to continue providing combat airpower to warfighting commanders, which is what we do as the Air Force’s primary force provider. One decision we’ve made is to sponsor one single-ship demonstration team for the 2012 air show season, scaling back from the six teams we’ve historically sponsored – A-10 East & West, F-16 East & West, F-15E and F-22. For the 2012 season, we’re sponsoring our F-22 demonstration team to perform at up to 20 shows. In addition to the F-22 demonstration team, the Thunderbirds are set to complete a full season next year, and their schedule will be announced next week at the International Council of Air Shows conference. Reducing the number of single-ship demonstration teams will allow us to reallocate more than 900 sorties to our wings so they can maximize their flying hours for combat readiness training, offsetting some of the reduction we’ve seen in flying hours. Most importantly, reallocating those sorties will provide an increase in more than 25 combat-ready fighter pilots – that’s a very good thing for our Nation and wise stewardship of our limited resources. The opportunity to showcase our aircrew at air shows around the country is important – and we’re confident our Thunderbirds, F-22 demonstration team and the Air Force Heritage Flight Foundation will continue highlighting the extraordinary work of all our Airmen. No chance of US fast pointy things flying in NZ thenIf the USAF send any Flying Assets to the airshow they would more likely come from PACAF i.e the PACAF C-17 DEMO back in 09: if(big If) any USAF fast pointy things Fly - they would most likely come from this Lot: www.misawa.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=15595 |
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 20:32:20 GMT 12
Still, the driver would be from ACC, obviously this does not cover anything from AMC though - C-17 is the most likely I would think.
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Post by Ykato on Dec 10, 2011 20:38:14 GMT 12
Still, the driver would be from ACC, obviously this does not cover AMC though. ACC Driver wise No PACAF is a Totally separate command from ACC - AMC - AFGSC etc |
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 21:06:21 GMT 12
Still, the driver would be from ACC, obviously this does not cover AMC though. ACC Driver wise No PACAF is a Totally separate command from ACC - AMC - AFGSC etc Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly |
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Post by Ykato on Dec 10, 2011 21:14:18 GMT 12
ACC Driver wise No PACAF is a Totally separate command from ACC - AMC - AFGSC etc Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly Capt. Chris Nations, a PACAF Aerial Demonstration Team pilot based at Misawa, performed daily aerial demonstrations during the air show through July 9. The demonstration also included a ground show performed by the PACAF Demonstration Team and a static display of the F-16 Fighting Falcons. www.pacaf.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123263147www.airshowbuzz.com/go/thread/view/119626/27641729/?pg=last |
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Post by ErrolC on Dec 10, 2011 21:19:38 GMT 12
ACC Driver wise No PACAF is a Totally separate command from ACC - AMC - AFGSC etc Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly The F-22 at Amberly did not display because no display pilot was available for it. there is some discussion of how the state side displays are set up for non-Thunderbird displays in the news section near the start of the latest Airplanegeeks podcast. |
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Post by typerated on Dec 10, 2011 21:39:49 GMT 12
Yes of course but PACAF (or USAFE) do not usually have display pilots so while a PACAF machine or two may rock up if they do not have a display pilot from ACC they will not fly Capt. Chris Nations, a PACAF Aerial Demonstration Team pilot based at Misawa, performed daily aerial demonstrations during the air show through July 9. The demonstration also included a ground show performed by the PACAF Demonstration Team and a static display of the F-16 Fighting Falcons. www.pacaf.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123263147www.airshowbuzz.com/go/thread/view/119626/27641729/?pg=lastI siad usually! Can't think of any USAF fighter I have seen displayed in the last 10 years has had not an ACC driver. And it will come as no surprise that both the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels will not be leaving the States/Canada this year I also can't see any chance of anything RAF flying - Display Auth does not happen till later in the year. It would be a minor miracle for something (anything) to arrive from the UK |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2011 22:11:49 GMT 12
Who needs jets anyway? Spitfires and Corsairs are where it is at.
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Post by fyl on Dec 11, 2011 9:07:54 GMT 12
I think NZ is in the wonderful position of having an awesome warbirds scene, with great people who have the ways and means of bringing their aircraft to shows etc, But because of that, and thanks to some awful woman who shall rename nameless (and utterly despised!!), its now the "jet age" aircraft who are sorely missing..
While i love the warbirds (one of my favorite displays was a Spitfire and Hurricane flying together at WOW a number of years back..along with a very brief Skyhawk attack!!) and though it may be blasphemy to say so, many of the airshows these days are tending to repeat themselves...are there any of the 'big' airshows that don't have Corsairs or Spitfires or P40s, etc??
I'd love to see the F18s (or anything else) at the 75th..ALONG with our awesome warbirds!!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 11, 2011 12:20:08 GMT 12
I personally see a 75th Anniversary of the RNZAF Airshow as celebrating OUR military history and would rather see all the warbirds of all the past eras there, over and above any foreign modern military presence.
If anything was to come form overseas I'd much prefer it to be related to OUR past - Bleriot XI, Hudson or Canberra, than some foreign modern thing we will never have or ever be allowed to aspire to.
However if overseas nations do attend with their modern military hardware, that is a bonus I guess and I won't be complaining about it. I really don't think all the emphasis should be put onto the USA though, they are a nation who has all but wiped the contribution of their Allied RNZAF and the NZ'ers in the RN FAA out of their history books after all. At a recent celebration between the USA and Australia of the ANZUS Alliance President Obama failed to even metion New Zealand in his speech, and also credited Australia as being the first nation to give women the vote, which seems it's not just our military hoistroy they have chosen to forget!!
I would be looking more closely to our traditional Allies like Britain, Australia and Canada who NZ had a lot to do with in WWII. And why not other nations like Singapore, Malaysia, India, France, Egypt, the Netherlands, Belgium and all those nations that the RNZAF stood beside, defended, helped to liberate and sacrificed for? Many of those countries still appreciate what the RNZAF of the past did for them, or tried to do. I hope they have all been invited, and if not bringing atual display aircraft they will bring a delegation at least.
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Post by fyl on Dec 11, 2011 18:56:46 GMT 12
With you there, Dave...its our party...and we'll have a good time!! And i'd prefer to see some of the other nations you listed, turn up, rather than the yanks... Singapore and Malaysia could add some wonderful aircraft to the mix... But, i'll still be there regardless of who turns up and will still fill up the memory on my camera with shots of everything that's flying!! Time to start making sacrifices to the weather gods!!  |
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Post by mumbles on Dec 11, 2011 21:29:36 GMT 12
I think NZ is in the wonderful position of having an awesome warbirds scene, with great people who have the ways and means of bringing their aircraft to shows etc, But because of that, and thanks to some awful woman who shall rename nameless (and utterly despised!!), its now the "jet age" aircraft who are sorely missing.. While i love the warbirds (one of my favorite displays was a Spitfire and Hurricane flying together at WOW a number of years back..along with a very brief Skyhawk attack!!) and though it may be blasphemy to say so, many of the airshows these days are tending to repeat themselves...are there any of the 'big' airshows that don't have Corsairs or Spitfires or P40s, etc?? I'd love to see the F18s (or anything else) at the 75th..ALONG with our awesome warbirds!! Second all that. |
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Post by mumbles on Dec 11, 2011 21:37:52 GMT 12
Who needs jets anyway? Spitfires and Corsairs are where it is at. Only for the enthusiasts. Most of the general public (who the airshow is organised for the benefit of) won't know or care what a Corsair is. Many will have at least heard of a Spitfire, but probably wouldn't recognise one. As I've said before, a modern fast jet element is missing from our air show scene, and having some at this show would be a definite public crowd puller. Fast dramatic and noisy jets are an absolute crowd drawcard. WWII warbirds while drawcards to those who appreciate what they are looking at, are quickly relegated to the 'just another aeroplane' basket for everyone else. Remember the majority of people who go to airshows are not enthusiasts. |
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Post by hunternut on Dec 12, 2011 8:12:24 GMT 12
Once the Hunter gets back in the air, the fast jet element will no longer be missing.
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Post by Naki on Dec 18, 2011 21:16:38 GMT 12
Once the Hunter gets back in the air, the fast jet element will no longer be missing. I see it has just been reregistered. |
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Post by Chris F on Dec 19, 2011 10:06:13 GMT 12
WOW thought I better post on my thread.....been very full on....and it's more so now with the KFC Big Bash T20 on....just love the Big Bash!
Anyway I am hoping to go to this Airshow and the final cricket test against South Africa will be over that same week so I should be free to go.
I personally would like to see some modern combat aircraft that most kiwis dont get to see,I know Australia will bring plenty but lets hope the USA can support along with Britain.
You will get a huge crowd if you get differant aircraft oppossed to the same old thing....I agree you must celebrate the past with the Warbirds but you must also understand the big crowd pullers and show stoppers will be the aircraft not seen in our skies.
Anyway.....Merry Xmas to all and Happy New Year.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 19, 2011 15:17:52 GMT 12
I personally am not all that interested in going to any airshow that is 90% non-airminded people in the crowd, ie petrolheads, westies and boagans and their sheilas who only go if there is load noise. They can stick to their motor racing tracks and leave aviation to those who appreciate it. That's one reason I am not a big fan of Wings and Wheels shows. The RNZAF is not doing this show to make money, so they don't need to pull big crowds. And huge crowds at an airshow is an utter pain in the arse, look at the trouble it has caused Whenuapai and Adrmore. And when you're actually there you can never get a fenceline possie or see half the exhibits for all the drop kicks milling around. I'd prefer Omaka and Whitianga style shows any day.
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